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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:35

@Scentedjasmin

Could you suggest that you and your son and the kids meet up half way for lunch once in a while instead?

I have suggested but DIL says she won't let that happen. Whether it's just the elder one going or both kids. She has to be present and it's only in London as "she feels sad" for them having to go anywhere even an hour away when they could be spending that time playing outdoors.

OP posts:
helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:38

Anyway, a quick update: I'm going for dinner with DS on Monday and I think I'll bring it up. We don't usually go for 1 on 1 dinners, usually it's with the DGC but I've asked him if he'd like to go just us two, as I'd like to talk about this...

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Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 16:01

So you are going to travel two hours to have dinner with your son.

Why then do you have to spend a full day or weekend when you visit the grandchildren?

And with the trip to the park, you are still expecting her to see you without your son.

Everyone has said it's completely OK and normal for her want him to be there when you are there.

I bet he wouldn't visit his in-laws without her

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 16:46

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:38

Anyway, a quick update: I'm going for dinner with DS on Monday and I think I'll bring it up. We don't usually go for 1 on 1 dinners, usually it's with the DGC but I've asked him if he'd like to go just us two, as I'd like to talk about this...

the DGC are usually there?

I thought angelic DS. was forbidden from taking the DC anywhere by your evil DIL?

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 16:50

Well good luck to your son as having shaken off his overbearing demanding wife to get to go out for dinner he's going to be met by... an overbearing woman wanting to put demands on him😂

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 16:52

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 14:58

I’ve tried something similar before when visiting London to stay with my other children. I’d let DIL know via the family group chat (which includes me, DH, my DCs, 2 DILs, and SIL) that I’m in town and would love to see her and the kids for a couple of hours, maybe join them for a morning at the park. If I send the message privately, I’m either ignored or get a response like, “Can’t this week.” In the group chat, the reply is always along the lines of, “We’re busy this week, won’t be in the park,” which is odd because DIL has previously said they go to the park every morning.

I’ve also tried cooking or baking for them, but it doesn’t seem to go over well (at least with DIL). If I bring over a soup, DIL’s response is usually, “Oh, you made soup. Erm, okay, we’ve already got food for the week, so I guess we’ll freeze it or give it to the housekeeper.” DS, on the other hand, will say, “Thanks, Mum! I’d love to take it to work!” Similarly, if I bake a cake, it disappears quickly because DS seems to enjoy it, but DIL treats it like it’s more of an inconvenience. If I ask in advance whether they’d like anything, the answer is always, “No, thank you, the housekeeper will cook for the week.”

To be fair, I haven’t tried this in a while because of how it’s gone in the past, but maybe it’s worth giving it another shot?

The group chat. This is bullying behaviour. Not that you care.

JackieQueen · 17/11/2024 17:01

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:38

Anyway, a quick update: I'm going for dinner with DS on Monday and I think I'll bring it up. We don't usually go for 1 on 1 dinners, usually it's with the DGC but I've asked him if he'd like to go just us two, as I'd like to talk about this...

I'd be very careful doing this op. It could be seen as you trying to turn your son against his wife, sort of divide and conquer. If you must bring it up it might be better to speak to them both together

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:06

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 16:01

So you are going to travel two hours to have dinner with your son.

Why then do you have to spend a full day or weekend when you visit the grandchildren?

And with the trip to the park, you are still expecting her to see you without your son.

Everyone has said it's completely OK and normal for her want him to be there when you are there.

I bet he wouldn't visit his in-laws without her

I'm staying at my daughter's house for the weekend plus a couple of days, and going out for dinner with my son for a few hours during this time. So no, I'm not travelling 2 hours just for a quick dinner.

Why do I want to spend a whole day with my grandkids? Because... I enjoy spending the day with them, my grandkids seem very happy when I do visit, it's lovely to see DS and he clearly enjoys it too, and if I'm invited for a whole day why shouldn't I?! If I could also pop over for a few hours here and there then I also would!

I don't think I've suggested that she should visit us without DS. I've simply said that it would be nice if the atmosphere wasn't there when we visit and that surely it's not too much of an inconvenience for me to join them at the playground for an hour or two, if I'm town anyway.

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Cm19841 · 17/11/2024 17:08

I get the feeling you should leave these people in peace. Not sure if you are over-involved, have a sense of entitlement, trying to fill a void. Your DIL is not your child. You do not have a right to her time. Cannot understand for the life of me why you assume she has to spend her free time with you when her son is working.

You see them once a month during a busy period of their lives with young children. You do not live so close as to make more frequent visits convenient or for you to be close to play a larger role with the kids. Her relationship with her own family does not concern you.

A lot of grumbling which must make for negative interaction. You have too many opinions about your DIL. Opinions about finances and pre-nups. Stay out of their marriage.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:08

@UserNameNotAvailable9 the grandkids are there when I visit them in their home and surrounding area, yes. Where have I said that I don't see my DGC? DS is forbidden by DIL to take them to ours or meet halfway for an activity.

And it's bullying to say in the group chat that I'm in London?

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UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 17:09

JackieQueen · 17/11/2024 17:01

I'd be very careful doing this op. It could be seen as you trying to turn your son against his wife, sort of divide and conquer. If you must bring it up it might be better to speak to them both together

She is trying to turn her son against his wife. And her other children too. Classic bullying

CollisionCourse · 17/11/2024 17:15

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:38

Anyway, a quick update: I'm going for dinner with DS on Monday and I think I'll bring it up. We don't usually go for 1 on 1 dinners, usually it's with the DGC but I've asked him if he'd like to go just us two, as I'd like to talk about this...

That does sound tempting op. I don't know whether you have had the experience of saying something which seemed perfectly justified at the time, but the actual act of saying it changes your mind and you soon regret it..? I have on several occasions wished I could row back or cringed at myself on hindsight. I worry that you are now very fixated on this issue and feel so justified in your position (which I have some sympathy with) that "saying something" has become sort of the end point in your mind, but that won't be the case, and actually you will regret raising it again.

I wonder if you would be better to let your feelings die down a bit first, let this thread die down and allow time to give you a better perspective of the bigger picture first. And then, on reflection you either decide to not mention it and take a different tack, or you raise it but it's more likely to come across as natural and measured rather than aggrieved and overly practiced?

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 17:25

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:08

@UserNameNotAvailable9 the grandkids are there when I visit them in their home and surrounding area, yes. Where have I said that I don't see my DGC? DS is forbidden by DIL to take them to ours or meet halfway for an activity.

And it's bullying to say in the group chat that I'm in London?

It bullying to put it in group chat to get your own way, yes.

you contact directly and you (unsurprisingly from this thread) get short answers saying no. so, to get your own way and to make sure everyone can see - you put it into group chat. To try and force her to do something she doesn’t want and to let the whole gang see. Yeah. That’s bullying

the relentless picking apart of her every word and action? Discussing her with everyone constantly? Also bullying

but you won’t listen. You haven’t listened to a single person on this thread. Zero self reflection or ability to own your behaviour. Unless you have completely misrepresented yourself in this thread (that’s possible, the written word doesn’t always come across well) then I suspect you are bullying your DIL and I hope your son protects his wife on Monday

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 17:27

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 15:38

Anyway, a quick update: I'm going for dinner with DS on Monday and I think I'll bring it up. We don't usually go for 1 on 1 dinners, usually it's with the DGC but I've asked him if he'd like to go just us two, as I'd like to talk about this...

Stop this nonsense for the sake of your son's mental health and marriage.
You are ruining your son's life because you are jealous.
Grow up.

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 17:28

Well said @CollisionCourse the OP has absolutely nothing to gain by raising it. Does she think her son doesn’t know? Of course he does and is dealing as best as he can.

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 17:31

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 17:25

It bullying to put it in group chat to get your own way, yes.

you contact directly and you (unsurprisingly from this thread) get short answers saying no. so, to get your own way and to make sure everyone can see - you put it into group chat. To try and force her to do something she doesn’t want and to let the whole gang see. Yeah. That’s bullying

the relentless picking apart of her every word and action? Discussing her with everyone constantly? Also bullying

but you won’t listen. You haven’t listened to a single person on this thread. Zero self reflection or ability to own your behaviour. Unless you have completely misrepresented yourself in this thread (that’s possible, the written word doesn’t always come across well) then I suspect you are bullying your DIL and I hope your son protects his wife on Monday

💯
This woman wants her son.
She be happy if he was divorced.
But you know what then suddenly she would be too busy to help with child care.

Ask yourself OP @helpamilout .

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DETERMINED TO RUIN YOUR SoN's MARRIAGE?

Also how was the relationship with your MIL?
Did you build your life around her requests?

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 17:32

I think that you need to be really, really clear about what you want this conversation to achieve and what you want to happen.

Is it:

  1. To see them more often, once a month is a lot?
  1. To see the grandchildren when he's not there?
  1. For them to visit you?
  1. Or for her to be friendlier to you?

If you just moan at your son then you are almost certain to alienate him further, and thus see everyone less

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 17:34

OP focus on your other children.
Leave the poor man alone.
If he wasn't as successful and needed financial help child care etc etc.
I bet you would be screaming it is YOUR TIME.
Stop being jealous of the life he has created for his family.
Stop trying to ruin it.

Because you are.

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 17:35

Instead of just enjoying time with your son on the rare occasion you have dinner together alone you want to nag him about his wife! Do you really think he's going to want to join you for dinner again in the future?

This is what everyone has been saying to you about actually enjoying the time you have together.

@helpamilout does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?

Isthisit22 · 17/11/2024 17:36

I feel for you as this must be very hard, but I echo other posters saying tread carefully.
It is completely natural for DIL to prefer to be around her family and make much more effort with them.
She is never going to drive the kids to yours as she just doesn’t have the motivation for it. No amount of talking to your son will change this. The likelihood is that you will just give her more reason to avoid you if she feels you are criticising- however unfair that is.
Your son has every right to overrule her and bring the kids to meet you but you’ve already said that he has little time for this and he is unlikely to risk upsetting his wife for you. Once again, this is wholly unfair and rubbish but completely normal.
Only you can judge whether bringing this up will cause your son to feel empowered enough to bring the kids more often, or just cause to make him feel guilty and alienate him as well.
It’s a tough call

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:43

@Gummybear23
I am determined to be treated with respect, the same way I treat her.

My relationship with my MIL (and my husband's with my mum) was very warm. No one built their life around each other's requests of course, but all interactions were friendly, kind, respectful. She was always welcome in our home - she would never turn up unannounced, but whenever she was around / wanted to visit, we'd invite her along. We were also always welcome in her house. Yes, I was closer to my own mum, but that never stopped me being kind to my MIL or never made me forget that she is my kids' grandma. And I am truly very happy that the kids had her in their lives! In general, as a family, we are close and family oriented, family is family, aside from this DIL issue we don't tend to have family drama, big arguments or exclusions.

OP posts:
Wordau · 17/11/2024 17:47

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 13:42

Given she was shitty about her DH's entire family including his twin meeting the baby for a whole month, I would recommend you actually take this less personally than I initially thought!

Yeah. She sounds like a piece of work from the OP posts. Her DH's business allows her to be SAHM with a housekeeper and cleaner and she treats his family like shit by the sounds of it.

What's her relationship like with her sibling?

I wonder if she's jealous of your family dynamic.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:47

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 17:35

Instead of just enjoying time with your son on the rare occasion you have dinner together alone you want to nag him about his wife! Do you really think he's going to want to join you for dinner again in the future?

This is what everyone has been saying to you about actually enjoying the time you have together.

@helpamilout does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?

does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?
My husband agrees that DIL is being rude but his take on it is just that that's her, she's rude, my son has married her so I'll be polite but focus on my son. He feels I should speak to her, this is a joint decision because previously he's just said "ah it's all fine" but in fairness I've never given my point of view in detail, it's all been over the phone in the form of "everything ok?" "She's being a little quiet, have we offended her?"

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?
No, neither of the scenarios are correct. This came about because I feel I need to talk to him.

OP posts:
Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 17:50

Husband sounds smart. It’s Why fils don’t tend to have issue with their dils or sils. Much more chilled life is life.

LinaLouLa · 17/11/2024 17:51

@helpamilout I've read through all your replies/updates. You sound lovely and your DIL frankly sounds horrible. She's rude to you even in the group chat - there's no way your DS hasn't not clocked this and must know what the issue is.
You're not doing anything wrong/OTT from what I've read.
I hope you have a lovely meal with your DS and can get some insight into what her issue is.
PS I've had one vaginal birth and one c section - the recovery after the c section was definitely harder (in response to someone's query earlier).

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