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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
olympicsrock · 17/11/2024 07:06

I’ve read all the OP posts. My take on this is that DIL is just very uptight and not very nice. She doesn’t like OP much and would rather spend her time with her own family .

OP once a month is fine , perhaps back off a little as you risk annoying DIL more and her pushing you away further. Focus on maintaining a loving relationship with your son for now .

standardduck · 17/11/2024 08:43

It doesn't sound like she likes you and you don't seem to like her either. Some of your posts about her are a bit critical and almost jealous like.

I don't think there is anything wrong with you seeing your DGC once per month. It sounds like their weekends together are rare as it is with your DS working a lot.

Nothing wrong with her being close to her family and preferring to spend time with them.

I don't see you are going to get a close knit relationship with her and that's ok.

Focus on keeping your relationship going with your son and see them when you are invited.

You can't force closeness.

TheDisgustingBrothers · 17/11/2024 08:51

I don’t have children with my partner but something I started doing a few years into our relationship was leaving his relationship with his parents to him.

when we first started dating I would push and encourage him to text them more, see them more, include them etc but then I realised it was too much energy to do that for him whilst also maintaining healthy relationships with my parents and family.

perhaps this is the same, you should be asking your son to coordinate visits and send pictures. It’s as much his baby as it is hers. Perhaps she is feeling the pressure from all angles & in reality it’s your son who should put in the work with you.

Screwcorona · 17/11/2024 08:52

Hi this sounds really unfair and I would not have expected my in laws to wait a month whilst bringing my mum in to see baby at a day. It sounds like she did really like you. All I can think is that either

A. Someone has had bad in law experience and warned her to share less.
B. She's been upset by something you've said or done but not discussed it with you,.so you don't even know what the issue is.

It's a really hard one to deal.eith because whilst baby is young there is also a tiredness aspect and everything seems so much more of a big deal. I'd speak to your son again on this and press him to find out if you've said something she's gotten upset about. If that the case try to be understanding and aim to resolve it rather than get into right and wrongs because ultimately if you can rebuild the relationship then you'll be able to spend more time with your family.
I wish you the best and hope you're able to find out what the issue is.

Scentedjasmin · 17/11/2024 09:11

Brefugee · 12/11/2024 20:35

for most couples it is up to the son/husband to keep up the relationship with his family.

It is supremely natural for a woman to be much much closer to her own mother when she has a child etc etc. Even though he works long hours, there is nothing at all stopping your son from arranging to visit you, or have you visit them.

Well there is actually. If the DIL has had the baby by herself all day and is absolutely knackered, the last thing that she will want is her husband buggering off for a weekend or to visit the in laws. Probably the last thing that he wants either. It's a shame, but unfortunately young children and spouses working long hours is extremely tough and relentless on all involved. Could you suggest that you and your son and the kids meet up half way for lunch once in a while instead?

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:25

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:43

her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

and ladies and gentleman, there it is. No wonder she doesn’t want to hang out with you.

Don’t be so ridiculous

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 17/11/2024 09:28

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

I can't speak for natural births as I've had 2 sections in 8 years and the first time emergency was hell on earth, had soo much pain was in hosp from Tuesday-Monday with a husband who I already really didn't want, and the trauma of the birth, I found recovery both physically and mentally tireless and hard bloody work. I can't speak for naturals but I always thought sections were longer recovering time (can't drive for 8 weeks etc)

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:44

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:57

So what you are now saying is that your son forces her to have family holidays and dinner gatherings with people regularly that she really doesn’t want to but feels she must to please your son.. while his also never home to actually give her true love and support to raise the children he wanted in the idea of needing money when they have more than enough.

See how you can turn this around right… son keeps wifey trapped at home with cleaners and cooks making sure everything is how he wants. Her only escape is to her own parents away from this “perfect” life he puts on display, blaming his wife for everything that doesn’t work how his mother wants to still be the perfect son.

Not right no. But so easy to flip the story.

Honestly I think you are doing a fair amount of projecting here

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:47

GelatinousDynamo · 15/11/2024 21:23

I was sympathetic at first, but each new post just makes you sound more mean-spirited and spiteful, @helpamilout . Your DIL has definitely picked up on how you feel about her and (rightly) is not prepared to do anything to accommodate you beyond whatever your son sees as the bare minimum. Can't blame her... I wouldn't want to spend my free time with you either.

What you have said is spiteful. You don’t know the op but you seem very keen to assasinate her character

Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 10:06

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:44

Honestly I think you are doing a fair amount of projecting here

I was purely spinning her story around it was meant to be complete bs or maybe it’s the truth in the relationship who knows.

Op was at such pains to paint the dil as some horrid controlling women trying to cut off his entire family when actually she sees his siblings quite a bit, willingly. Unless she is forced too. It’s just op she’s not so keen on clearly.

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 10:47

Actually I just realised that the older child was born in the pandemic.

Depending on the rules at the time could well of not actually been allowed to meet anyone, but could have bubbled with her parents.

So actually the six weeks seem a lot more sensible in that context

standardduck · 17/11/2024 11:26

Ahhh... If your first DGC was born during pandemic that of course you didn't see them right away. It makes even more sense now.

MaggieMcGill · 17/11/2024 12:02

What are Christmases, birthdays and special occasions like OP? Do you get together as a family often? What are her family dynamics? Is she an only child or does she have brothers and sisters that she see”s regularly? Do they have friends come over to their house or stay overnight? I think your dil sounds very selfish but I can’t understand why your son is letting her get away with it. It is his house and his children too. Believe me, I have my own PIL issues but if I ever treated them like this our relationship would be over. You are family, you love your son and you want a relationship with your grandkids. Which is only natural. I think your son needs to step up here and instead of paying for a hotel, say you are staying over in one of the spare bedrooms. If she doesn’t like it, she can go and spent the weekend with her parents.

Also, when you are actually allowed to visit, do you ever just chill out at their house or are activities planned so that you are out all the time?

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 12:21

My eldest grandchild was born in late 2021. Of course she may have been worried that our whole family, including us, his elderly parents, who lead a pretty low key life, were likely to bring COVID to them. But in that case, why wasn't she as worried about her own family and friends or the many people who met the baby before us? Why was she happy to fly on a plane multiple times in her pregnancy throughout 2021 and with a 2.5 month baby? Why have a huge baby shower, surely more dangerous that a granny visiting?

COVID was not the reason for the delay, she was never particularly careful about it (and neither was my son tbh). They'd been to plenty of large gatherings, big birthday parties, holidays etc throughout

OP posts:
Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 17/11/2024 12:23

standardduck · 17/11/2024 11:26

Ahhh... If your first DGC was born during pandemic that of course you didn't see them right away. It makes even more sense now.

OP is dripping in order to get her narrative across.

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 12:24

What do you want from this thread?

Lots of people have suggested practical things you could, and also suggested that once a month is actually a lot to visit.

However, its clear that you don't like her. Don't agree with her choices.

So what is that you want?

Dutch1e · 17/11/2024 12:32

To be blunt, you're not really needed in the sense of day-to-day support, or living in close proximity, the things that so often forge a relationship between in-laws.

So the only way left to connect with your DIL is as women who like each other. Did you ever have the foundations of a friendship outside of your son and later outside of your grandchildren?

If that is absent, it seems a lost cause. Better to enjoy the monthly visits with your grandchildren and let the rest lie.

LeoOakley · 17/11/2024 13:23

Op, assuming you are entirely genuine, your dil just sounds unkind.

Yes, she was sweet etc while dating your son...

But all changed once their relationship became very serious with a pregnancy.

You claim she nitpicks over material being 100% cotton and was scornful over a bubble machine gift. 🙄

I have known situations like this. Your dil doesn't give a shit about you, or your position in her dc lives. She doesn't need to be sweet and polite anymore.

Your relationship with your dgc is entirely on your ds. Don't expect anything from his wife. She doesn't care. It happens, sadly. She doesn't consider you now your son is 'hers'.

As upsetting as it is, I would focus on your other dc and simply continue to let your son know you are there for them.

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 13:35

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JillMW · 17/11/2024 14:25

It all sounds quite stressful for her. Two young children and a husband who is away pretty much alternate weekends. Her own mum is likely easier to have around as she will be relaxed with her rather than trying to be overly polite.
A lot of mums don’t like leaving babies at all, it is easier to leave with her own mum as she knows and trusts her child rearing skills and is not so familiar with yours. Neither of these are a slight on you.
I understand it is a long way but is there a possibility you could take the train and stay ina B and B a few miles from them. Organise things for yourself to do in their area maybe catching up with an old friend, having a spa day, visit a museum or National Trust property, do a cookery course, whatever. Drop your dil a text say you are worried you are neglecting her ( even if you really feel it is the other way around), longing to cuddle the beautiful babies and you will be nearby. Pretty full itinerary but is there any chance you can drop in for a couple of hours. Ask, while you are there can you cook lunch as there is a new recipe you would like her opinion on and you will bring all ingredients. This way it is a short time, no need for her to clean the whole house as you will only see the kitchen and loo and no worry about what to feed you.
I hope you find an easy solution. I think it can work out. Good luck

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 14:26

MaggieMcGill · 17/11/2024 12:02

What are Christmases, birthdays and special occasions like OP? Do you get together as a family often? What are her family dynamics? Is she an only child or does she have brothers and sisters that she see”s regularly? Do they have friends come over to their house or stay overnight? I think your dil sounds very selfish but I can’t understand why your son is letting her get away with it. It is his house and his children too. Believe me, I have my own PIL issues but if I ever treated them like this our relationship would be over. You are family, you love your son and you want a relationship with your grandkids. Which is only natural. I think your son needs to step up here and instead of paying for a hotel, say you are staying over in one of the spare bedrooms. If she doesn’t like it, she can go and spent the weekend with her parents.

Also, when you are actually allowed to visit, do you ever just chill out at their house or are activities planned so that you are out all the time?

What are Christmases, birthdays, and special occasions like, OP? Do you get together as a family often? What are her family dynamics? Is she an only child, or does she have siblings she sees regularly? Do they have friends come over to their house or stay overnight?

They alternate Christmas Day between us and DIL’s family. Last year, they stayed home because DIL was heavily pregnant, and both sets of parents visited separately during the Xmas period. During the holidays, they’ll spend about a week at her parents’ house but only stay with us for one or two nights, at most.

At any of our family occasions since they got married, DIL tends to be very quiet and disinterested, almost like she’s doing DS a favor by being there. Conversations with her are very brief and to the point: “How was your journey here?” “Fine.” or “Did you enjoy Prague?” “It was okay.”

We do make an effort to get together as a family for special occasions. For birthdays, we’ll typically have a meal to celebrate, and for Christmas, we often hold multiple celebrations at our house and / or DC’s. For example, what’s happening this year, we are having a Christmas dinner on 22 Dec when DS1 and DS2 visit before heading to their partners’ families for Christmas Day whilst we do Christmas Day at our house with both daughters - we offered to come to London but they said they’d rather come to ours. It’s not always possible for everyone to be there at the same time, but we’re a close family and try to make it work around DCs’ busy and exciting lives.

DIL has a sibling she sees fairly often, considering they live abroad. Interestingly, they flew in to meet DGC1 just a week after the birth, even though we were asked to wait a month. So again, was it really about COVID?

Her parents do stay overnight at their house, and occasionally, her friends do too, though that seems to be rare and mostly when friends from abroad are visiting. His friends tend to be more local or stay in hotels, I haven’t heard of any of his friends staying over.

When you are actually allowed to visit, do you ever just relax at their house, or are activities planned so that you’re out all the time?

It varies. Usually, there’s at least one planned activity during the visit, but it’s not a full day of events. A typical visit might look like this: we arrive in the morning, around 10 a.m., then head to a museum or do a kids’ activity. Afterward, we’ll have lunch—either at home or out—and then spend some time playing at their house before heading off in the early afternoon.

If we’re staying overnight at a hotel, it might be something like a morning at the park, followed by an early evening outing to a Christmassy light show. There’s usually some structure to the visit, but it’s not overly packed with activities.

OP posts:
Beexxxx · 17/11/2024 14:52

I don’t have much advice other than to ask. Maybe organise a nice lunch or something with her for a nice catch up just to check she’s ok. I did wanna comment on the same distance thing. Although they should be trying to be equal she’s probably also having to expend a bit more mental energy at yours than at her mums. I just know this cuz I can drive 2 hours to my mums and then feel totally relaxed cuz it’s my mum but if I then have to drive 2 hours and do something/ interact with someone I’m not as comfortable with (and again it’s my mum there are very few people who I feel that comfortable with) then I’ve gotta be “on” and it’s a bit more tiring. You seem pretty chill though (obviously these post can be one sided) so hopefully you can have a chat

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 14:58

JillMW · 17/11/2024 14:25

It all sounds quite stressful for her. Two young children and a husband who is away pretty much alternate weekends. Her own mum is likely easier to have around as she will be relaxed with her rather than trying to be overly polite.
A lot of mums don’t like leaving babies at all, it is easier to leave with her own mum as she knows and trusts her child rearing skills and is not so familiar with yours. Neither of these are a slight on you.
I understand it is a long way but is there a possibility you could take the train and stay ina B and B a few miles from them. Organise things for yourself to do in their area maybe catching up with an old friend, having a spa day, visit a museum or National Trust property, do a cookery course, whatever. Drop your dil a text say you are worried you are neglecting her ( even if you really feel it is the other way around), longing to cuddle the beautiful babies and you will be nearby. Pretty full itinerary but is there any chance you can drop in for a couple of hours. Ask, while you are there can you cook lunch as there is a new recipe you would like her opinion on and you will bring all ingredients. This way it is a short time, no need for her to clean the whole house as you will only see the kitchen and loo and no worry about what to feed you.
I hope you find an easy solution. I think it can work out. Good luck

I’ve tried something similar before when visiting London to stay with my other children. I’d let DIL know via the family group chat (which includes me, DH, my DCs, 2 DILs, and SIL) that I’m in town and would love to see her and the kids for a couple of hours, maybe join them for a morning at the park. If I send the message privately, I’m either ignored or get a response like, “Can’t this week.” In the group chat, the reply is always along the lines of, “We’re busy this week, won’t be in the park,” which is odd because DIL has previously said they go to the park every morning.

I’ve also tried cooking or baking for them, but it doesn’t seem to go over well (at least with DIL). If I bring over a soup, DIL’s response is usually, “Oh, you made soup. Erm, okay, we’ve already got food for the week, so I guess we’ll freeze it or give it to the housekeeper.” DS, on the other hand, will say, “Thanks, Mum! I’d love to take it to work!” Similarly, if I bake a cake, it disappears quickly because DS seems to enjoy it, but DIL treats it like it’s more of an inconvenience. If I ask in advance whether they’d like anything, the answer is always, “No, thank you, the housekeeper will cook for the week.”

To be fair, I haven’t tried this in a while because of how it’s gone in the past, but maybe it’s worth giving it another shot?

OP posts:
standardduck · 17/11/2024 15:20

I don't think you should try with your DIL anymore. I think you need to take a hint - she is not interested in having a close relationship with you (which she doesn't need to have). It sounds like you and your DS have a good relationship, so focus on that and on your DGC when you see them once a month.

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 15:26

@helpamilout

Jeez what a drama.

Just take a chill pill and go and lie down.

Why not enjoy your life and stop overanalysing every single one of their actions.

Just relax and be grateful you have your health.

If I'm honest you are too too much.

They are adults who have their own life's.
Stop this behaviour.