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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
Polly47 · 17/11/2024 17:52

Maybe it's not you.....have you considered perhaps your husband, Dh's Dad has done something, said something or behaved inappropriately?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

ABirdsEyeView · 17/11/2024 18:01

Tread carefully OP. See how the conversation with your son evolves over dinner. Even if you are completely right in everything you say, he might feel attacked and therefore defensive. Because ultimately he's chosen to marry dil, so any questioning of her behaviour which comes across as criticism of her (however gentle), could be taken as criticism of him too.
If you are going to do this I'd approach it from a position of whether you've done something to inadvertently offend her. More concern than attack.

standardduck · 17/11/2024 18:03

I'd be very careful what you say to your son, because you might make it worse. He is likely going to tell his wife about the conversation and you might push her away even further.

I am really not sure what you are hoping to get out of this. You can't force her to like you and to want to suddenly spend time with you.

I was feeling a bit sorry for you after reading your first posts, but your subsequent posts are making you sound a bit overbearing and jealous.

I echo what others said, thread carefully if you want to keep a close relationship with your son. Don't let him be stuck between his DW and his DM.

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:04

Rightly or wrongly, one cannot demand respect, however much one is determined to receive it.

Go careful. Perhaps consider whether your demand to be respected is worth stressing your son out over. I’d say it’s almost 💯 likely to fail.

Nobody can make this blinking DIL feel about you the way you wish she would. Maybe things will change in the future. Just keep plugging away with being kind and pleasant.

I can understand how you feel, but if you put your son into battle on your behalf, you will lose. out of interest, do you normally get what you want in life?

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 18:10

So you've been staying at your DDs this weekend and stewing about your DIL on mumsnet the whole time? Seems slightly bonkers behaviour.

Echoing previous posters in that it is obvious you love your family but be very careful that in requesting to see them more/want your DIL behaviour to change you don't actually drive a wedge between you. They are busy and giving you as much of their time as they want/are able to. It's likely you will see more of the DC as they get older and travel becomes easier just try and be a bit patient.

You are going to see your son for dinner tomorrow (Nov) & their whole family are coming to you in December. Count your blessings of what you do have not what you don't.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:28

Polly47 · 17/11/2024 17:52

Maybe it's not you.....have you considered perhaps your husband, Dh's Dad has done something, said something or behaved inappropriately?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

His childhood was good, I'd say? Whenever the kids talk about their childhood it's fondly, happy memories. We didn't have anything particularly traumatic happen, we've never shouted or smacked our children. If there is anything, I really can't think what it might be and it hasn't been mentioned to me personally...

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thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have said that your DIL was initially polite and friendly but has changed. The birth of children often changes the relationship between a DIL and her MIL, as a previously more relaxed relationship becomes more fraught and comparisons with the maternal grandparents are made.

You seemed more reasonable at the start of the thread but you are revealing your true feelings about your DIL the more you post. I don't think you like her at all.

You do have a good amount of contact with your grandchildren, seeing them at least once a month and you alternate Christmas with each set of grandparents. You have a lot of children and I think you see yourself as the matriarch who normally runs the show. This doesn't work with this DIL.

Do you expect your son to chastise his wife on your behalf and that everything will be fine? You are risking ruining the relationship forever.

Gardenbird123 · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have an arranged visit once a month? With lots of activities? That's a good start.
Maybe start the babysitting thing by just taking the kids to the park for an hour during one of your arranged visits.
Pay for your own hotel and arrange it yourself x

Wexone · 17/11/2024 18:39

Gardenbird123 · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have an arranged visit once a month? With lots of activities? That's a good start.
Maybe start the babysitting thing by just taking the kids to the park for an hour during one of your arranged visits.
Pay for your own hotel and arrange it yourself x

if you read ops posts she clearly says she is not allowed bababysit at all. she will not be let by dil take children for an hour to the park

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:40

@Apolloneuro no, I don't get everything I want in life, but I do come from a no-drama family and wonder what's caused this attitude

@ABirdsEyeView that's the approach I plan to take - have either of done something wrong, what's caused the atmosphere

OP posts:
UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 18:44

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 16:50

Well good luck to your son as having shaken off his overbearing demanding wife to get to go out for dinner he's going to be met by... an overbearing woman wanting to put demands on him😂

You know what OP…it’s not too late to listen to people.

you say your son works long hours. They have small children. His relax time is probably precious and scarce

You say you and DS never go to dinner just the two of you.

Why do this? Why add stress to his life by inviting him out to criticise his wife? Why not take stress away from him by giving him a pleasant evening?

Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 18:51

The attitude could simply be a case of different personalities.

You come from a no drama family you keep saying. But where is the drama. I see no fights or bad words. Just cold politeness. The bubble machine they were going to buy. She doesn’t like being away from her children even with their father who honestly it doesn’t seem like he spends much time with them again so kinda understandable when she’s a stay at home mum.

Likelyhood is just somethings rubbed her slightly wrongly since having children with maybe your parenting style or just your extra demands on her time like she wasn’t worth it before when she was trying.

I can tell my mother not to do something with my child and she will respect it or challenge it but still ultimately respect it. My mil when I’ve dared challenge has still just done what she wanted regardless even on basic things. It wouldn’t make me want her to be alone with my children. Couldn’t even get though a simple meal without her reminding every 30seconds to give water, said water than if you left child with when not drinking would just throw on the floor so it was clearly extremely helpful and not at all I know how to aren’t better than you.

Also I’m not sure your meal is that wise honestly because simply he will if a good husband go home and tell his wife all the issues you have with her unless you frame it as how can we help dil feel more comfortable with us because we are worried we have upset her. If you got for the attack you can expect to get bitten back.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 18:52

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 17:31

💯
This woman wants her son.
She be happy if he was divorced.
But you know what then suddenly she would be too busy to help with child care.

Ask yourself OP @helpamilout .

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DETERMINED TO RUIN YOUR SoN's MARRIAGE?

Also how was the relationship with your MIL?
Did you build your life around her requests?

It feels like it’s not even about the DGC. It’s about making DIL do what OP wants. OP already gets a very normal amount of contact with the DGC for the circumstances. It feels to me she is used to getting everything her own way and doesn’t like being told no. She despises DILs ability to set and hold boundaries

our boundaries are different for each person. They need to be firmer with people that don’t respect them.

That’s how it feels anyway

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:55

When the thread started, it seemed to be about a grandmother being kept from her grandchildren. As it’s progressed, it seems more like it’s a matter of principle and pride for you @helpamilout Apologies if I’m wrong.

You're putting your needs ahead of your son’s here. Do you think he’s going to go home to his wife and demand she’s nicer to you? Do you want to introduce conflict into their marriage. I speak from experience here, unfortunately.

If you feel that you must speak about it, speak directly to your daughter in law. Don’t put your son into a position between you. Again, you won’t like the outcome.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 19:00

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:55

When the thread started, it seemed to be about a grandmother being kept from her grandchildren. As it’s progressed, it seems more like it’s a matter of principle and pride for you @helpamilout Apologies if I’m wrong.

You're putting your needs ahead of your son’s here. Do you think he’s going to go home to his wife and demand she’s nicer to you? Do you want to introduce conflict into their marriage. I speak from experience here, unfortunately.

If you feel that you must speak about it, speak directly to your daughter in law. Don’t put your son into a position between you. Again, you won’t like the outcome.

OP has a very normal amount of contact. It’s about getting 100% her own way. I don’t think anyone else’s needs or feelings are of any concern yo her tbh. It’s all about OP

At least on this matter at this moment in time

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 19:08

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:40

@Apolloneuro no, I don't get everything I want in life, but I do come from a no-drama family and wonder what's caused this attitude

@ABirdsEyeView that's the approach I plan to take - have either of done something wrong, what's caused the atmosphere

You’ve started a very public thread about personal matters. Not really a no drama approach

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 19:11

You know the old adage, men marry their mothers?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/two-thirds-men-choose-partners-14184512
It could well be this is an ongoing power struggle.

We ALL have things that annoy us about our own family and inlaws but as they are very unlikley to change the only thing really in your control is the way you respond to it. So you can get frustrated, cause drama and upset or you can think that's annoying and let it wash over you. After all it's only once a month but if you are determined to pick the scab then it may well bleed...

Two-thirds of men choose partners like their mothers, study reveals

The study, by dating site eHarmony, found that 64% of men go for women with the same personality traits as their mums

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/two-thirds-men-choose-partners-14184512

Procrastinatingpeacock · 17/11/2024 19:38

OP I posted quite early on in this thread saying that I saw a lot of similarities between your relationship with your DIL and the one I have with my MIL, and that the more you push the more she will back away. I've followed the thread since and everything you have said has reinforced my view. You cannot make her like you, you cannot make her spend more time with you, and if you go ahead with this conversation with your DS I can guarantee that you will end up seeing your grandchildren less and making the atmosphere worse when you do see them.

I'm.not sure what you want from this thread. Is it for everyone to say that you're right and that your DIL is wrong? Maybe that's the case but it doesn't really matter - you have to decide whether it's better to be right or to be happy. Seeing grandchildren and your DS for quality time once a month may not be as much as you want, but if you force the issue you are likely to see that reduce even further whether or not you are "right".

pl228 · 17/11/2024 19:48

The kids are very little. If he’s working long hours, she may still be knackered and busy even with a housekeeper.

A few times you have offered babysitting. They don’t want it, so I would definitely not offer this again. She does not want to be separated from the kids, so I would not suggest he brings them. Also any food you’ve taken seems to have been surplus to requirements so I wouldn’t do this again. I would also ask before buying presents at Christmas/Bday.

That said, it does not appear that you have done anything hideously wrong, or even wrong at all.

I would not stay with them again. I would stay in a hotel so that a visit is not so full on - DIL clearly has a problem with it, whatever that might be.

Id be very careful tackling your DS over this. He wants to see you because you’re his mum. So it will be nice to have a meal out with him anyway. And it could make it difficult for him if you grill him about DIL. Instead, I’d say to him could you visit for the weekend but stay in a hotel and maybe see the kids a couple of hours on Sat and then again on Sun so as to make the visits ok for DIL? And ask if there’s anything that you are doing/have done that’s pisssd her off? Just be careful pressing him as he’ll be in a very awkward situation.

at the end of the day, DIL has all the power with the kids.

also, I don’t think you can compare a 2 hour drive to yours with a 2 hour drive to her parents. When she gets to her own parents, she can likely just plop on the sofa, rather than having to make conversation.

she may not like people staying, it may impact her ability to relax or to do what she wants to do if she has to consider you etc.

it seems a shame, but you’ll have to tread carefully.

it does seem quite extreme for you to have been made to wait a month to meet their eldest when s/he was born. I’d therefore suppose that anything you might have done to piss her off probably happened before that time. Or, that she had some anxiety or physical issues after birth.

good luck anywya.

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 17/11/2024 19:54

I'm like this with my MIL. And actually she is a nice enough woman, before I had kids we got along well, but I now don't see or speak to her because.... she is an awful grandparent. Takes no interest in my DC & openly favours other grandchildren. The consequence of this is that I no longer facilitate any sort of relationship between them & as a result we don't see them despite living 5mins away from eachother. My kids are always my main priority & if someone doesn't care enough about them, to not let them down repeatedly then I no longer wish to maintain a relationship with them. I'm sure she tells her friends she never sees the kids because I'm a nightmare etc but the fact is that she's only interested for show, occasionally & my own DC have commented on how she doesn't visit etc. (I know it goes both way but I got fed up of doing it for my kids to be second best. Now they're older I don't need to pretend she's wonderful - they can see with their own eyes)

Snkt · 17/11/2024 20:04

First of all I want to say how sweet and understanding you come across as a mum. You clearly don’t want drama and trying to make sure you respect them and their space.

I was the complete opposite with my family in law. When we were dating I’d barley speak to
them and honestly felt like they didn’t take me seriously and didn’t bother making an effort with me. I believe relationships (even with in laws) are a two way street and it’s not my job to build a relationship if they show no interest. However, once we had a chid they suddenly became a lot more interested in me and made the effort so I reciprocated.

The situation you are in is really hard but I’d say having a friendly chat with her is a good start. I would word it as “hey we’d love to see you and grandson more, I know my son works long hours but we’d still love to see you if he’s busy. What works for you” kind of expecting a schedule? Like maybe setting a cadence where you go see them every x.

Maybe you can also not speak explicitly about it, but call more, make plans more, invite them over? Obviously I don’t know if you’ve been down that route more.

crazyspanner · 17/11/2024 21:09

I have read this thread and I feel for you op, you seem like you really love your family and have tried to extend that to your DIL whilst also respecting their family unit.
I think I am going against the grain here but I feel that DIL should facilitate the relationship with the grandkids even if DS is working (I don't mean daily but the odd hour in the park when OP is already in town). DIL is able to be a shame due to DS work (from what OP has said this seems what both DS and DIL want). I was also a sahm whilst kids were little and did facilitate the relationship with PIL during school holidays whilst my husband was working. Yes I am more relaxed with my parents and they are more helpful when they visit as they know me better but I want my kids to have a good relationship with both sets of grandparents and would hate for them to have thought that one set of grandparents was more important than the other.
I think a conversation with your son is a good idea but like others have said, tread carefully. It may be that your son is not happy but feels stuck in the middle. A non-judgemental chat with his mum might be just what he needs to clear the air and you to understand more what is going on. It may not change anything with DIL but if you son knows you love him and just want him to be happy, I don't think that is a bad thing.
For the people saying OP is being overbearing and a nightmare, honestly think how you would feel if you and your family were not allowed to meet your new family member for a month but all her friends and family did- I don't think there would be many of us that wouldn't be hurt by this.

MaggieMcGill · 17/11/2024 21:47

@crazyspanner Thank you! I thought I was liviing in a parallel universe. This thread is crazy and cruel. I feel really sad for all the kids who are not allowed to see both sets of grandparents because of their neurotic and unhinged mothers. How their husbands put up with their controlling behaviour is beyond me. I know some MIL’s can Be apita but this one clearly just wants to build and maintain a relationship with her son and grandchildren.

CrispyCrumpets · 17/11/2024 23:01

Another one who thinks the OP is getting some crazy responses. A lot of projecting goes on on these sorts of threads and people really like to get their teeth in.

You sound like a really nice Grandma OP. Considering the distance and your GCs ages I think you do see them a reasonable amount, but I would also be concerned about DILs manner when interacting with you. Your son may not want to talk about why this is, so be prepared for a stale mate when you have dinner. I don't think he has the power to change DIL either. I do hope as the kids grow up your DIL will feel more comfortable with them travelling a bit further to see you. Maybe you need to play the long game on this one.

Jiook · 17/11/2024 23:52

I'd be really cautious about where you are treading here.

I don't get on with my MIL but I think she is completely oblivious to the reasons that may be so. From your posts it does seem something happened, as DIL sounds exasperated with you.
For context I've declined weekday visits from them too- we have a schedule each day of the week and tbh their nap time is my nap time too given the broken nights so no, you can't just trip up willy nilly and force me to host.
Despite things we always make sure we see them every 2-3 weeks as they are ultimately my DCs grandparents. However emotional blackmail, trying to guilt me, and whispering to DH when I'm out of the room just made things worse. I don't think complaining to DH like he is her keeper is the way to go. If he has any sense he might go apoplectic at you like my DH did when his parents tried to slate me to him!