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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 20:55

"Be positive open and kind.
The rest will follow."

In other words, turn yourself into a human pretzel and she might stop treating you like something she stepped in!

Tbh, I don't blame the OP if she's a bit gleeful over the prenup situation biting dil in the backside. It's hard to like someone and feel positive about them when they are consistently rude to you!

ScaryM0nster · 15/11/2024 20:56

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

There’s no pattern in which girlfriends she does and doesn’t like.

So there is a pattern in which people you meet in life that you do and don’t like, that’s immediately obvious to relatively remote spectators on the interactions?

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:57

So what you are now saying is that your son forces her to have family holidays and dinner gatherings with people regularly that she really doesn’t want to but feels she must to please your son.. while his also never home to actually give her true love and support to raise the children he wanted in the idea of needing money when they have more than enough.

See how you can turn this around right… son keeps wifey trapped at home with cleaners and cooks making sure everything is how he wants. Her only escape is to her own parents away from this “perfect” life he puts on display, blaming his wife for everything that doesn’t work how his mother wants to still be the perfect son.

Not right no. But so easy to flip the story.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 21:09

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:57

So what you are now saying is that your son forces her to have family holidays and dinner gatherings with people regularly that she really doesn’t want to but feels she must to please your son.. while his also never home to actually give her true love and support to raise the children he wanted in the idea of needing money when they have more than enough.

See how you can turn this around right… son keeps wifey trapped at home with cleaners and cooks making sure everything is how he wants. Her only escape is to her own parents away from this “perfect” life he puts on display, blaming his wife for everything that doesn’t work how his mother wants to still be the perfect son.

Not right no. But so easy to flip the story.

Of course anything can be flipped, but there's no need to deliberately twist a story into something it isn't :)

OP posts:
helpamilout · 15/11/2024 21:11

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 20:55

"Be positive open and kind.
The rest will follow."

In other words, turn yourself into a human pretzel and she might stop treating you like something she stepped in!

Tbh, I don't blame the OP if she's a bit gleeful over the prenup situation biting dil in the backside. It's hard to like someone and feel positive about them when they are consistently rude to you!

Yes of course I'm gleeful in the prenup situation. I remember DS being upset at the suggestion, thinking it's super unromantic but then wanting to marry her anyway, and the inheritance was never why he married her - he's ambition and driven, successful in his own right.

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Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 21:13

Sorry op @helpamilout
But you do seem to be over keen.
DIL has money has family and she simply don't need you.
She sees it as a disruption to her perfect life 9f the golden SAHM.

However what she fails to see is that the love and warmth you receive from grandparents is priceless and carries you through life.

Something money can't buy.

From your posts you are clearly hurt and longing for a relationship.
But you need to accept this woman don't want that.
So back off and enjoy your life.
They know where you are.

You sow what you reap.
The children may do the same do her when she becomes a grandma.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 21:19

Really spend your time with children grandchildren who want to spend time with you.
Make memories with them and enjoy your life.
Time goes quick.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 21:21

No need to walk on egg shells for the hope of seeing grandchildren.
If you are kind and respectful and they still chose to not want to see you then leave it.
Ain't worth it.
Send the cards and gifts offer to see them.
But if they make no effort.
Don't hold a grudge.
Just wish them well. 👋

GelatinousDynamo · 15/11/2024 21:23

I was sympathetic at first, but each new post just makes you sound more mean-spirited and spiteful, @helpamilout . Your DIL has definitely picked up on how you feel about her and (rightly) is not prepared to do anything to accommodate you beyond whatever your son sees as the bare minimum. Can't blame her... I wouldn't want to spend my free time with you either.

almay · 15/11/2024 21:24

Gleeful???

It’s so clear you’ve never liked this woman, and if people here can see that you can bet she knows it.

Talking about your son “not being allowed” take the children to visit, I can guess that’s because he does feck all parenting and she knows he wouldn’t be able to look after them for a day.

lawlessland · 15/11/2024 21:24

The disdain and judgment honestly pours from every post. The OP is being careful with their works but the subtext is so clear.

lawlessland · 15/11/2024 21:24

Words not works!

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 21:32

lawlessland · 15/11/2024 21:24

The disdain and judgment honestly pours from every post. The OP is being careful with their works but the subtext is so clear.

Totally relentless and doesn’t listen to anyone.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 21:39

@helpamilout
I agree with the above posters.
You are quite mean spirited.

Perhaps thIs was picked up by DIL?

CrazyGoatLady · 15/11/2024 21:48

It really comes across that OP just doesn't like the DIL one bit and thinks her son can do no wrong. If people on an internet forum can pick up on that, you bet the DIL has!

BibbityBobbityToo · 15/11/2024 21:48

Something has caused DIL to turn a bit cold. She seems adamant that she doesn't want to leave you or Grandad alone with the kids.

Could your husband have said something to offend her? Anything negative in your DS childhood memories? I'm going back a very long time but I would never leave my kids alone with their paternal grandparents as FIL lost his temper with my DH's younger brother when he was a cheeky teenager and gave him the belt (it was 1970's but that's no excuse in my opinion and it also left my DH with terrible memories) so even though I never once seen that side of him, I wasn't going to take that chance that he could lose his temper with my little hooligans😍. MiL did lose out by association though as Grandparents to tend to come in pairs. It was easier just to refuse offers of babysitting etc.

If there is absolutely no explanation I would leave them in peace and try to build closer relationships with your other family/kids. You'll still be there if they need you.

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 15/11/2024 22:11

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 21:11

Yes of course I'm gleeful in the prenup situation. I remember DS being upset at the suggestion, thinking it's super unromantic but then wanting to marry her anyway, and the inheritance was never why he married her - he's ambition and driven, successful in his own right.

You have shown your colours over the thread @helpamilout , you’re absolutely vile.

I have a prenup as I come from old money. Most old money families protect their money this way, to be included in my family’s will I had to have a prenup (I also married a man from a family that has no intergenerational weath). I imagine her family told/made her do this and it’s sensible because it weeds out and protects your child/yourself from gold diggers. The fact you are gleeful, has really shown you cannot stand her and you’re glad she’s been ‘one upped’.

Floofypuppy · 15/11/2024 22:20

Oof you sound positively dripping with jealousy and that’s very uneasy to be around. You probably give her the ick

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:23

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 15/11/2024 22:11

You have shown your colours over the thread @helpamilout , you’re absolutely vile.

I have a prenup as I come from old money. Most old money families protect their money this way, to be included in my family’s will I had to have a prenup (I also married a man from a family that has no intergenerational weath). I imagine her family told/made her do this and it’s sensible because it weeds out and protects your child/yourself from gold diggers. The fact you are gleeful, has really shown you cannot stand her and you’re glad she’s been ‘one upped’.

There’s not a thing wrong with prenups.

You know what’s less romantic than a prenup? A messy divorce without one.

And I don’t come from inter generational wealth.

Nothing2CHere · 15/11/2024 22:27

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

Girlfriends. So DS2 also been hot and cold with them since I assuming he hasn’t been dating them all at once ?

ottersinmotion · 15/11/2024 22:27

Stop gossiping about DIL behind her back with your friends and family. Stop hyper-analyzing every little thing she says or does. It's likely gotten back to her and she's not telling you anything even slightly important ever again.

Also, your GC are covid babies. She may have had little choice about how many people she could allow to visit. My DC were not covid babies - but we were in a local pertussis epidemic and my doctor scared the crap out of me. No visitors who were not recently vaccinated and no going out until they were 8 weeks old and had their first vaccine. My parents and BIL were the only visitors during the first two months as MIL refused vaccination.

Overthemountaim · 15/11/2024 22:28

You mentioned something about outdated or differing communication styles earlier and that did get me thinking. My own mother talks a lot, you can never just be quiet together and she really over relates. As in whatever you say/ mention she will always always respond with long anecdotes of ‘that happened to me/someone I know’ type stuff. It’s very grating but I know she sees that as how to connect, how it’s done. And it is a bit but it also comes under the heading of ‘making everything about yourself.’ I think a more modern way of communicating is not trying too hard, letting the other person tell their tale without making it about yourself, perhaps just asking questions.
Also the stuff you said about how your own mother related to her dil, that does sound quite overbearing, especially the complimenting thing! I have always found it quite annoying the ‘we must begin our interactions by praising each others looks’ thing, you don’t in general by the time you’ve a couple of kids want your appearance to be assessed and scrutinised every time you see someone, I know it’s just small talk and breaking the ice, manners type stuff but nobody does that to men!
There could be so many different things going on, perhaps just keep relations as cordial as possible, it’s quite likely that in five years time or so when the kids are less tiny your DIL will be more than happy to pack her DH and kids off to you for a weekend, but not if there’s been a falling out…

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 22:38

It's a bit chicken and egg - posters are saying OP dislikes dil and that's why dil is cold, but maybe dil was cold and that's why OP isn't keen!

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:48

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 22:38

It's a bit chicken and egg - posters are saying OP dislikes dil and that's why dil is cold, but maybe dil was cold and that's why OP isn't keen!

OP is on the internet discussing whether DIL had a C section or vaginal birth. Very personal information she only has due to having access to DIL. Total breach of trust

I would think twice about allowing her close to me too.

lasagnelle · 15/11/2024 22:48

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:48

OP is on the internet discussing whether DIL had a C section or vaginal birth. Very personal information she only has due to having access to DIL. Total breach of trust

I would think twice about allowing her close to me too.

Hopefully she doesn't recognise herself but if she does then OP has blown the relationship right out the water