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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
emmypa · 15/11/2024 16:25

You have my sympathy OP. It seems like you have done everything you can to be kind and you should stop beating yourself up about the c-section comment. I don't think you've actually done anything wrong here. More likely, it sounds like your DIL is just very busy and content with the setup she has in her life, and she's choosing to keep you at arms length. She's probably afraid that if she includes you more often then it would become a habit, one that she's not willing to agree to. I wouldn't suggest that you say anything about it either because most likely, your DS has at least mentioned to her your concerns. In fact, it might make things even icier than they already are. I do think that once a month is not unreasonable for them to visit with you. I'd continue to invite them to yours and take what you can get, even if it's not your ideal.

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 16:28

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 14:35

@Blahdeblah24 dil won't invite her mil over for shorter midweek visits/inclusion in the dc activities or let her dh take them to his parents by himself or let mil babysit. Whatever mil asks for, it's a no. And this attitude seemingly extends to the DHs siblings. So it isn't anything OP specifically is doing - it's a 'dil doesn't want or need them so cba to include them' issue.

There's nothing OP can do that doesn't put her DS in a harder position. I suspect there's quite a bit of conflict between them on this attitude, which DS obviously won't share with his parents out of loyalty to his wife and probable unwillingness to draw his parents' attention even more to her obvious rudeness.

OP, just carry on making the effort to see your son. If you were minded, you could gently see if he's open to discussing this with you but tread carefully. Sometimes you just have to roll with the fact that your child has landed themselves with someone who isn't very nice and just do what you can to keep your son close.

Yes exactly, this was my point. If the DIL was warm and lovely with all of DH's family except the OP that's one thing, but her attitude towards his family seems to be that she doesn't need to bother with any of them. I can't believe he had to sneak out so his twin could meet his new baby. That's not "banning" anyone but she did say no to him coming round!

Edit: she seems get on OK with DS2's wife but he did say she was either OOT lovely or very cold to his girlfriends with no consistency. And she is "distant" with the other SIL.

ScaryM0nster · 15/11/2024 16:50

Give it three days and come back and read your own posts.

you might get some insights.

(and keep in mind that just because someone wants to be a sahm, and look to be good at it, doesn’t mean they find it easy).

NoisyDenimShaker · 15/11/2024 17:02

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 13:42

Given she was shitty about her DH's entire family including his twin meeting the baby for a whole month, I would recommend you actually take this less personally than I initially thought!

Yes, this is truly horrible behavior. Sorry OP, I just think you've got a cold and selfish DIL. I'm glad she'd a good mum, but I've known people who are wonderful to their spouse and kids, and everyone else can go to hell as far as they're concerned. Of course, people have a vested interest in those relationships because you get a lot back, including support from children when you're older, if you've been good to them. But some people don't bother with anyone who doesn't have something they want, or who can't benefit them in any way.

It sounds as if her behaviour is bad enough to cause problems between your DS and her, like the big argument over showing his twin his new baby. More fool her. Being unkind is a massive turn-off. How awful that he had to arrange to meet his twin on a walk, instead of the twin coming to the house to meet the baby like a normal person! I'm glad your DS does stand up to her sometimes, like with the bubble machine.

Sounds as if your DIL thinks she's quite the queen bee...

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 17:04

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 16:28

Yes exactly, this was my point. If the DIL was warm and lovely with all of DH's family except the OP that's one thing, but her attitude towards his family seems to be that she doesn't need to bother with any of them. I can't believe he had to sneak out so his twin could meet his new baby. That's not "banning" anyone but she did say no to him coming round!

Edit: she seems get on OK with DS2's wife but he did say she was either OOT lovely or very cold to his girlfriends with no consistency. And she is "distant" with the other SIL.

Edited

@Suzuki76 From what the OP has said about her DIL relationships with other siblings

DD1 has a child and lives close to DS and DIL - her and DIL seem to get on well, go on play dates as the children are close-ish in age. I think they are only "friends" when it concerns the children though, in that they happily arrange activities to do together with the children but wouldn't go out for a dinner as just the two women. I've spoken to DD1 about this but she doesn't know what the issue is and it's not like she can ask directly "why do you hate my mum?" Or "do you think my mum is annoying?" as DIL knows I'm close to DD1.
DD2 doesn't have children, she also doesn't live quite as locally but she will be in town for work relatively frequently and pop in for an evening to play with the GC when she can (only when DS is around) or meet DS for lunch as she works close to his office when she comes into town. Her relationship with DIL is quite distant but cordial. She wouldn't know why DIL is being like this.
DS2 is DS's best mate, he visits relatively frequently or they sometimes do a Sunday lunch together as 2 families. They've gone on holiday together before too as the 2 couples. I'd say he gets on with DIL but perhaps partly because I'm pretty sure that DS would absolutely not tolerate it if DIL (or anyone) ever said a bad word towards his twin or was rude or otherwise suggested they should become less close. I've spoken to DS2 about this and he's just said that DIL can be quite cold , and between his girlfriends she would either absolutely love them and try to be best friends or be frosty and he'd never really know why. I get on quite well with DS2's wife but , again , I don't feel like I can start gossiping with one DIL about another and speculating what DIL2 thinks is wrong with DIL1.

So all the relationships with siblings seem to be fairly normal & on good terms then what comes after each description is the OPs interpretation of each relationship & character assination of her DIL. It sounds like the DIL has not badmouthed her MIL to any of the other siblings.

What you haven't mentioned at all @helpamilout is your son and DIL relationship with your husband. I'd be really interested to hear how he perceives the situation?

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 17:36

Yes it sounds like she at least has polite relationships with his siblings.

Play dates without the dh with one sister.
Holidays with the brother and his wife as well as regular dinners.
One sister pops in of evenings when she’s working in the area if her brother is home.

Certainly doesn’t read as some horrible wife trying to cut off her husband entire family. The siblings all have no idea why or if at all the wife has an issue with op so like pp she’s clearly not badmouthing her.

Not sure why it’s she wouldn’t dare. Unless you know for a fact she’s tried to cut off the twin. More projection.

Not sure what the issue really is with the wife getting on better with some of her husbands family over others it’s just life we all have family members we prefer over others. I’d much rather go on a day trip with dh’s uncle over his mother or father and I’d place his sibling between parents and uncle. Because we just get on better, his more fun, we have more common interests and pleasures in life.

Basically it could all just boil down to she’s comfortable with her family, various levels of comfortable with dh’s siblings and feels only comfortable around mil with her dh. What about fil?

Dishwashersaurous · 15/11/2024 17:43

I wonder if part of it is that you visit for a whole day, with a schedule of events, which becomes rather intense.

Could you get an air b nb for the weekend, and then visit all your children and then pop in for a hour for a cup of tea.

Then it's less intense and you can see the grandkids but it doesn't take over the whole weekend.

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 18:00

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 23:27

Is this why there are so many cases of “gender disappointment” when women are expecting boys? Is this the reason?

This is exactly why I was gutted I had boys and I had gender disappointment both times. I'm resigning myself to the fact once my sons marry, our family side will become a side thought - I'm already heart broken about it but MILs can't do right in any situation so there's nothing you can do.

ColaCar · 15/11/2024 18:03

Have you ever thought that maybe she just doesn’t like you as an person and is not interested in any interaction outside of what she has to do?

I wouldn’t agree to spend a whole day with my in laws once a month, no chance. A hour visit is more then enough time to spend with the in laws at any one time.

ColaCar · 15/11/2024 18:06

There's also nothing wrong with us visiting for an hour or two during the week if we're in London anyway, regardless of whether DS is there or not

Yes there is, you know she doesn’t want to spend time with you so don’t force it upon her, if your DS is there then pop in but if he’s not then leave her alone. Don't be so entitled.

Flossflower · 15/11/2024 18:22

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 18:00

This is exactly why I was gutted I had boys and I had gender disappointment both times. I'm resigning myself to the fact once my sons marry, our family side will become a side thought - I'm already heart broken about it but MILs can't do right in any situation so there's nothing you can do.

Edited

It really does depend on the MIL. Both my daughters have excellent kind MILs, who they love very much.

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 18:47

It depends as much on the dil as the mil.

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 19:09

Flossflower · 15/11/2024 18:22

It really does depend on the MIL. Both my daughters have excellent kind MILs, who they love very much.

It depends on the DIL too, my mom is really kind to my SIL who treats her like shit for no reason at all.

I'm sure I'll end up being a little overbearing, out of sheer fear of upsetting DILs and wanting a good relationship with them. Hopefully they're nice enough to see i just want them to be the daughters I'll never have 🙈

LovelessRutting · 15/11/2024 19:38

Your ds is choosing to focus on work rather than family life. This might be the correct decision for them and his wife may agree with, or even encourage, it - but it is a choice he has made.

In every single post you have made you have painted your ds as beyond reproach and blamed everything on your dil. Is it really likely that your ds is the perfect filial son and is allowing you to be sidelined because he can’t say no to his wife? At the very least he just doesn’t care enough to change the situation. Or it’s easier for him to tell you it’s all DILs decision…

ThatGutsyHedgehog · 15/11/2024 20:05

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 19:09

It depends on the DIL too, my mom is really kind to my SIL who treats her like shit for no reason at all.

I'm sure I'll end up being a little overbearing, out of sheer fear of upsetting DILs and wanting a good relationship with them. Hopefully they're nice enough to see i just want them to be the daughters I'll never have 🙈

I feel exactly the same way but I remember that my mum has a lovely relationship with my SIL and her MIL.
I do find my MIL difficult but do try and get on with her despite this.
I think all we can do is role model good relationships with all grandparents to our boys.
I also think times may change as women are in the work place full time more often than they were.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 20:11

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 18:00

This is exactly why I was gutted I had boys and I had gender disappointment both times. I'm resigning myself to the fact once my sons marry, our family side will become a side thought - I'm already heart broken about it but MILs can't do right in any situation so there's nothing you can do.

Edited

Nonsense.

It all depends on the child not the bloody gender.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 20:13

@Bringautumnnights
You are already creating the toxic vibes of the MIL.
Be positive open and kind.
The rest will follow.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 20:17

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 19:09

It depends on the DIL too, my mom is really kind to my SIL who treats her like shit for no reason at all.

I'm sure I'll end up being a little overbearing, out of sheer fear of upsetting DILs and wanting a good relationship with them. Hopefully they're nice enough to see i just want them to be the daughters I'll never have 🙈

You really have to know boundaries.
And be kind.

Develop strong healthy inclusive relationship with your sons growing up.

Teach them how to be kind.

They will attract kind people hopefully.
Anyway your son maybe gay and like my friend's son and she has the most amazing relationship with her son in law.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:31

@Gummybear23 @thepariscrimefiles @Wellingtonspie
I don't want to leave DS out of the will because he's not done anything wrong, he's doing his absolute best to make sure we can see DGC when he's around and I don't blame him for putting DIL first because... rightly or wrongly we've taught him that it's natural to find a partner, build a family, that family where you're the parent comes above friends / parents etc and it's what he would have seen myself and DH do.

Also - given DS's business and current financial position due to its success I don't think our inheritance will make much difference.

And whoever mentioned DIL's inheritance that won't benefit my DS as it's protected by a prenup (which was initiated by DIL but now worked out in DS's favour because since she was protecting her inheritance he argued he should be able to protect certain investments he's made - not the main business - and the investments have ended up being worth far more than her inheritance ever will be)

OP posts:
Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:35

How very tit for tat still that update was. Very haha dil protected her inheritance but haha that means my son protected his investments which is now worth more mwahahahah

Tho in England prenups are not often worth much anyway.

It all
just comes across as very petty and spiteful the way you write about your daughter in law tbh.

AlwaysYoshi · 15/11/2024 20:39

I don’t actually blame DIL for keeping you at a distance and only seeing you when DS is present.
Every observation you make about DiL, her life and her choices is dripping with disdain - you’ve made so many assumptions and assigned hidden motivations to her behaviors (I thinks it’s so ingrained that it’s unconsciously done) that there is simply no way she isn’t aware that this is how you truly feel.
I get that this is an anonymous forum and you are saying things you wouldn’t say to her in real life, but the tone and feeling I get from your posts is not positive.

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:41

AlwaysYoshi · 15/11/2024 20:39

I don’t actually blame DIL for keeping you at a distance and only seeing you when DS is present.
Every observation you make about DiL, her life and her choices is dripping with disdain - you’ve made so many assumptions and assigned hidden motivations to her behaviors (I thinks it’s so ingrained that it’s unconsciously done) that there is simply no way she isn’t aware that this is how you truly feel.
I get that this is an anonymous forum and you are saying things you wouldn’t say to her in real life, but the tone and feeling I get from your posts is not positive.

I agree and this is probably still ops toned down version to not sound too critical. This is her I love my dil but don’t understand why she keeps us at arms length version.

ColaCar · 15/11/2024 20:43

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:35

How very tit for tat still that update was. Very haha dil protected her inheritance but haha that means my son protected his investments which is now worth more mwahahahah

Tho in England prenups are not often worth much anyway.

It all
just comes across as very petty and spiteful the way you write about your daughter in law tbh.

Edited

Exactly what I thought.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

OP posts:
UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 20:49

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

Indiana…let it go.

See that wouldn’t let anyone see the baby in the first month? It’s in the past. There could have been 1000 reasons for it. Forgive it, forget it.