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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 13:54

Honestly the amount of times I’ve effectively hosted mil to see the grandchildren without dh is zero.

We have nothing in common bar dh and the children and honestly that leads to a very very boring conversation.

Clearly something was going on with her during that one month where she didn’t want to see any you after birth.

At 3 and nearly one I can again see why she wouldn’t want unnecessary babysitting. Let’s be honest here you’d probably judge her for it too since you already made points about having a cleaner and cook. What could she possibly need a sitter for.

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

OP posts:
Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 13:59

@helpamilout do you have very different political ideas to your DIL? Could it be that?

Sorry but you sound a bt pushy to me @helpamilout it would drive me mad if my PILs were forever trying to arrange to see us when you are already tired and busy with a young family.

You said your DIL sees your DD regularly and the cousins get together to play and they see their uncle and you as grandparents regularly. They've been on family holidays with DS twin and family. You might wish it were different but it souds like quite a normal family set up.

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:01

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

I mean you judged her for not doing her own cleaning.

A hair cut, so one hour. You going to drive to hers two hours away to watch the baby for one hour?

Or she probably just books those kind of treatments in for when she’s visiting her family anyway. Doctors most mums I know tend to take baby’s/toddler unless something like smear test.

She doesn’t need hours long babysitting which most women would probably feel like they were taking the piss to ask their mother in law to travel for a hair cut. Wouldn’t feel so piss takey asking your own mum though.

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 14:05

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

The only person judging her here is you.

She can either take the DC with her, ask her husband, her mum, a friend or even her housekeeper to watch them for an hour. She hasn't asked you so she obviously already has a solution.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 14:10

@Wellingtonspie

I mean you judged her for not doing her own cleaning.
Sorry, I must have missed this. How have I ever judged her for this? If anything I've said it's great that DGCs get to have a mum who is happy being a mum, rather than fed up of household chores.

A hair cut, so one hour. You going to drive to hers two hours away to watch the baby for one hour?
I would happily, yes. Then do other things in London for the rest of the time.

Or she probably just books those kind of treatments in for when she’s visiting her family anyway. Doctors most mums I know tend to take baby’s/toddler unless something like smear test.
She's said she never takes her kids to the doctor because it would be a nightmare

OP posts:
Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:17

I still think it would feel very rude to ask my mil to travel two hours so I could get a hair cut or get my contraception check done.

She clearly has a support system in place for such things.

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 14:21

She's probably only had to go to the Drs for a post natal check once unless she has other health concerns. Other than that she'll be taking the kids for jabs and developmental reviews. She probably just doesn't need a babysitter very often at the moment. I'm sure as the DC get older and they regain a bit of an adult social life that will change but they may just opt to pay for a babysitter though rather than calling in family from miles away.

I wouldn't invite my MIL (who lives an hour and a half away) to babysit for the docs or hairdressers either.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 14:29

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:55

I think from everything I've said, how I've seen the twins interact throughout their life and in adulthood, how DIL is around DS2... she doesn't dare come in between the two brothers as much or doesn't object to DS2 being around because she knows (very correctly) that DS1 is very protective of his relationship with DS2, and it may not end well for her if she was to make it a "he's not allowed in our house" type thing.
So I think if DS took the baby to "secretly" meet me instead of DS2 or announced I'm coming without asking her "permission" there would be even more drama.

So she doesn’t come between the twins., (Has even been on family holidays?). Is that not the end of the answer to that question. No, DIL does not come between the twins.

Why do you mention - should wouldn’t dare ban him from their house? You are assuming she would like to. You are projecting that onto her. Has she actually banned anyone from her house? Or even tried to?

why do you mention - she wouldn’t dare come between them? You are assuming and suggesting she wants to. That is also coming from you (as far as I can see)

The black and white facts are she doesn’t come between the twins and has never tried to ban anyone from her house.,

Aside from some over the top behaviour (which you will never let go by the sound of it) in the first month of one of the babies lives…you DIL has not come between your sons

its things like this people are picking up on I think when mentioning your judgement/dislike etc

Catsbreakfast · 15/11/2024 14:32

Summerhillsquare · 12/11/2024 20:29

Biology rules usually.

Being rude as hell is not biology

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 14:35

@Blahdeblah24 dil won't invite her mil over for shorter midweek visits/inclusion in the dc activities or let her dh take them to his parents by himself or let mil babysit. Whatever mil asks for, it's a no. And this attitude seemingly extends to the DHs siblings. So it isn't anything OP specifically is doing - it's a 'dil doesn't want or need them so cba to include them' issue.

There's nothing OP can do that doesn't put her DS in a harder position. I suspect there's quite a bit of conflict between them on this attitude, which DS obviously won't share with his parents out of loyalty to his wife and probable unwillingness to draw his parents' attention even more to her obvious rudeness.

OP, just carry on making the effort to see your son. If you were minded, you could gently see if he's open to discussing this with you but tread carefully. Sometimes you just have to roll with the fact that your child has landed themselves with someone who isn't very nice and just do what you can to keep your son close.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:37

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:38

@Alittlebitfluffy

Is he one to avoid confrontation and just bury his head in the sand? Is he any different with you or is it just her?

He's no different with me. If anything, he's more talkative over WhatsApp and calls us more, I guess because previously it would be her arranging visits or sending us some holiday snaps, but now it's him.
When I asked he just said "yes she's just busy being a mum, you know how it is" but I'm 99% sure it's not just that. I don't feel like I should constantly ask him to avoid pressuring him and also, if he wanted to, he'd have told me when I first asked.
I guess he doesn't like drama but I wouldn't say he avoids confrontation.

ask if you could come and stay overnight one weekend and she how she takes it?

I frequently offer to babysit but they always say no. I don't feel like I can ask to stay overnight and she's already frosty with me, would inviting myself over not make it worse? Would I be overstaying my welcome?

I think you're right, I need to ask her. Just need to figure out... how to word it.

Do younhave other children?
Spend time with then instead.
Be kind polite and available.
Do invites, send cards and gifts.

But leave them to it if they don't return the kind gestures.

Make sure they are left nowt in the will.

AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:43

Lavender14 · 12/11/2024 21:00

'If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.'

Is this really what a mum who isn't coping needs though??? @CocoDC to me that would finish the relationship rather than help it if she's struggling.

It’s comments like those suggested that make me dislike my MIL.

Don’t ever do that OP if you want to have a good relationship.

thepariscrimefiles · 15/11/2024 14:44

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:37

Do younhave other children?
Spend time with then instead.
Be kind polite and available.
Do invites, send cards and gifts.

But leave them to it if they don't return the kind gestures.

Make sure they are left nowt in the will.

Edited

Her son is nice to her so why would she leave him out of her will?

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:46

thepariscrimefiles · 15/11/2024 14:44

Her son is nice to her so why would she leave him out of her will?

Dils family is also the richer side anyway. Kinda pointless would just show that mil is a cash for baby access grandparent / parent.

Jingleballs2 · 15/11/2024 14:48

To put it simply, she's going to be closer to her own mother than you, hence why she sees her more and is comfortable with her staying over. It's up to your son to be arranging yo see you really

AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:48

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 21:45

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you

I can’t see where this was originally posted but surely they generally do have a longer recovery time…?

They do! I had one a few years ago and it took weeks to completely heal.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:49

Just enjoy life with other children, family and friends.

They know where you are.
Don't burn bridges but don't waste time when you could be enjoying life.

AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:51

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:48

If not too private, can you give me a few pointers as to what in her behaviour was difficult for you? Maybe I do some of those without realising?

I also wonder if it's an age thing, a generation thing, a personality thing.

For example, my mum once told me what with my SIL (brother's wife) she always tried to make her feel part of the family, in a way treated her more warmly than she did my brother. Ie if we all met for lunch she'd comment on how great SIL looked before she'd compliment my brother, if she was commenting on the children's good behaviour she'd often attribute it to SIL, if she made a cake it would often be SIL's favourite cake. I tried to do the same with my DIL, for example if a picture is sent I'll often say either something like "aww my favourite couple / favourite family" or "I love your dress, DIL!" But now I wonder if maybe that's overbearing or somehow too personal? Maybe outdated?

Yes, possibly. My MIL was like this and it was way too much. I hated the attention because I’m an introvert. I was a lot like your DIL in the beginning too, overly polite.

We don’t get on because I found it too much and it created an atmosphere whenever she was around. It made me tense and uncomfortable. Now she just throws derogatory comments my way.

NZDreaming · 15/11/2024 14:52

@helpamilout I think, unless you have a direct conversation with your DIL and lay it all out, you’re just going to have to put up with things as they are and make the best of it. Your DIL clearly isn’t ever going to be close to you and, although frustrating, it’s understandable she feels comfortable staying with her own parents rather than at yours. Some people have a real issue with others staying in their home, even family, maybe it makes her uncomfortable.

Continue being polite, offering open invitations and spending time with the DGC when you can but try to relax. It sounds like you’re not the only one she is frosty with and clearly has boundaries that are very firm. She may relax as the children get older but you have no idea what’s going on with her personally and clearly your DS is respecting his wife by not sharing anything she wants to keep private.

Seeing the DGC and once a month may not seem a lot but to some families that would be quite a lot, especially when DS had limited time with his wife and children due to work. 1day a month might not sound like a lot to you but when you think of all the other things/people he has to fit into those weekends (which is fewer than 7 days if he works at least one weekend day per month) eg seeing his siblings, friends, kids activities etc it doesn’t leave much down time or time at home.

Be grateful you have a relationship with your grandchildren and focus on the time you do get to see them, there are plenty of grandparents who see their families far less due to distance/health/work/finances.

outofideas2 · 15/11/2024 14:53

I think my dear departed MIL probably felt much as you do @helpamilout . On reflection, I didn't trust her to look after my children and there was absolutely no reason for that, if I could go back and change things I would. I was immature and never felt good enough (but that was my feelings, absolutely nothing she did) and as a consequence I know I would have seemed cold and aloof to her. Now I'm old enough to be a MIL, even though I'm not yet, I truly hope I don't get a DIL like me!

The only advice I would give you is to keep on being you, maintaining the relationship you have, even if it's not your ideal, and hopefully in time things will change. By the time my MIL died I had known her for 25 years, we had become extremely close and I was by her side when she died.

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 15:05

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 14:35

@Blahdeblah24 dil won't invite her mil over for shorter midweek visits/inclusion in the dc activities or let her dh take them to his parents by himself or let mil babysit. Whatever mil asks for, it's a no. And this attitude seemingly extends to the DHs siblings. So it isn't anything OP specifically is doing - it's a 'dil doesn't want or need them so cba to include them' issue.

There's nothing OP can do that doesn't put her DS in a harder position. I suspect there's quite a bit of conflict between them on this attitude, which DS obviously won't share with his parents out of loyalty to his wife and probable unwillingness to draw his parents' attention even more to her obvious rudeness.

OP, just carry on making the effort to see your son. If you were minded, you could gently see if he's open to discussing this with you but tread carefully. Sometimes you just have to roll with the fact that your child has landed themselves with someone who isn't very nice and just do what you can to keep your son close.

@ABirdsEyeView well we are interpreting that very differently:
'dil won't invite her mil over for shorter midweek visits/inclusion in the dc activities' true as they see the family when their son is there and they are altogether which is quite normal in families!
'or let her dh take them to his parents by himself' so that's the OPs take on it but he may have no desire to do so alone with 2 very young children one of which may still be breastfeeding especially when he doesn;t even routinely get a weekend off anyway
'or let mil babysit' but she probably hasn't much need for babysitting with a baby under one and a preschool age child
'And this attitude seemingly extends to the DHs siblings' On what are you basing this? OP said the DIL meets up with his twins family for Sunday lunches, previously went on holiday with the twin & partner & sees his Dsis and children on her own for playdates. She also see her PILs monthly for days arranged with activities for the DC and they've paid for them to stay over in a hotel. For goodness sake what more do you expect of a woman who is looking after two under three year old DC!!!

My MIL is on the face of it really nice and but always makes back handed compliments like 'Oh this is tasty - it's good when a recipe is really easy'. She votes for Farage & blames all social ills on 'people from the boats.' She generously gives presents which are very often massive bags of sweets to give the kids a sugar high just before a journey / bedtime. So she could post this but I would have a counter post to every point and I suspect the OPs DIL may well do too. I wouldn't choose to spend any time with my MIL without my DH there either.

Flossflower · 15/11/2024 15:09

I think your DIL is very close to her mother so is quite happy to be with her mother when she isn’t looking her best. Her mother probably helps her. I got on with my PILs really well but I would never of had them to stay if my husband wasn’t there. It would just not be a relaxed casual visit. You probably didn’t get an invite early on because they would have to put you up.
Apart from my grandchildren, I dislike overnight guests and I always think hotel stays are much better. We are visiting over Christmas and are staying in a hotel. This gives our hosts time to be on their own and get up when we want to. Your DIL probably doesn’t want you to babysit as she will end up with more work by putting you up for the night. I always check birthday and Christmas presents for my grandchildren with the parents first.

coldcrossbun · 15/11/2024 15:18

It sounds like you see your DIL as more of a way of accessing your grandchildren, whether her parents actually see her as a person.

She might be a SAHM but she's more than just a mum and if that's all you really treat her as of course she's not gonna love spending time with you.

I bet when she goes to her parents it's not so the GP's cans see the GC's, it's so that she can see her parents, and just because of the age of the children and her being a SAHM, they're along for the ride too.

If the children and 3 and just under 1 she's been pregnant and/or bfing for the best part of the last 4 years. That's a huge strain on your body, your hormones are all over the place, of course she just wants to spend time with people who make her comfortable, not for whom she has to be 'on' or 'host'.

You say what you want is to be 'an equal grandparent', that implies that you're not actually unhappy with the one weekend a month you get, more jealous that you perceive her parents to get more.

Anxioustealady · 15/11/2024 15:49

I really don't think that the DIL has done anything wrong the more I read.

Lots of people really laying into her and pointing out your simmering disdain and you don't disagree with them.

Lots of mean comments about her being a SAHM and doing no cleaning, and her husband having to be the sole financial provider. He had the business first, he earns well enough that she doesn't need to work, and she ENABLES him to put all his efforts into his business and still have a family and happy children. It goes both ways and honestly sounds ideal for both.

You see them every month, that's a lot.

She's picked up that you don't like her and feel entitled to things from her that she doesn't want to give, so she's pulling back. Probably tried for a long time but realised she wasn't going to make you happy so gave up.

Of course she spends more time with her own parents, just like you would choose to see your son over her.

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 16:07

It's one of those things where the more OP pushes to be included, the more dil pulls away and the more dil pulls away, the more left out the OP feels and the more she tries to be included.

I still believe that a sahm with a housekeeper could quite reasonably sacrifice the odd trip to her parents and invite the paternal gps to meet up in the week. Then there'd be less pressure on the weekends and would feel less formal and more natural a relationship. But if she really doesn't want to, you can't force it, and it doesn't really matter whether any of us think you're right or wrong. She's the dil you've got and you just have to work with this. It's good that your DS still remains close to his twin and that he makes the effort to see you regularly, if not as frequently as dil sees her parents.

I honestly think there might be stuff going on behind the scenes with them over the disparity, but you don't want to widen any gulf so step back and try to let it wash over you if you can.