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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
ASongOfRiceAndPeas · 13/11/2024 21:32

ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 23:05

I think it sounds like the OPs son does make an effort to keep in contact and enable his dc to see his parents. But if dil was a bit more accommodating in the week, then they could probably drop some of the weekend visits, which might be better for dil and OPs son.

It's very obviously a snub when dil's parent get to stay in the house but OP has to stay in a hotel. I totally understand dil not wanting to have in-laws stay, especially if her dh isn't even there most of the time, but I do think there's a responsibility to be fair and try to treat grandparents equally (assuming they are decent people and not nutcases). The son can't realistically do it because he's physically not there.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. OP I feel for you (I’m neither a MIL nor DIL).

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 21:32

@UserNameNotAvailable9 I don't give her or my son the analysis - the analysis is for MN only.
When she says things like "there's no space to stay over" in a house with 2 spare rooms, I just politely smile and nod but it's difficult not to wonder about the 2 spare rooms. Or when she says the kids can't go to activities an hour away because 1hr there and 1hr back is too much for one day, I'll just agree and say "yeah it's a lot isn't it" or "yes you're right, the fresh air in the park instead will do them good" but of course it's hard not to realise she regularly does a 2hr journey in one day.

OP posts:
helpamilout · 13/11/2024 21:37

chocolaterevels · 13/11/2024 21:28

Is their relationship in trouble? I stopped making any effort with my MIL once the marriage was over. I just wanted distance and couldn't act normal.

Of course I can't say for sure but nothing I've noticed. He speaks very fondly of her, he generally seems happy, they're affectionate and jokey with each other (at least around us). They've just celebrated their anniversary with a long weekend trip.
Obviously you can't say what's going on inside someone else's relationships but no signs I've picked up on

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 13/11/2024 21:42

You could breathe wrongly and offend plenty of DiLs on Mumsnet, imo.

Leopardlola · 13/11/2024 21:47

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 21:37

Of course I can't say for sure but nothing I've noticed. He speaks very fondly of her, he generally seems happy, they're affectionate and jokey with each other (at least around us). They've just celebrated their anniversary with a long weekend trip.
Obviously you can't say what's going on inside someone else's relationships but no signs I've picked up on

To be fair, I’ve kept this act up before while sitting on the secret that DH had been caught sexting. And was travelling away a lot for work at the time.

Keeping it “normal” was me not causing problems and maintaining a little control. I was embarrassed and didn’t even want MIL to know.

Meanwhile DH was busy playing happy husband, happy son and becoming Disney Dad in the making.

Just remain open hearted OP. You never know what’s coming 💐

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 13/11/2024 21:48

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 21:32

@UserNameNotAvailable9 I don't give her or my son the analysis - the analysis is for MN only.
When she says things like "there's no space to stay over" in a house with 2 spare rooms, I just politely smile and nod but it's difficult not to wonder about the 2 spare rooms. Or when she says the kids can't go to activities an hour away because 1hr there and 1hr back is too much for one day, I'll just agree and say "yeah it's a lot isn't it" or "yes you're right, the fresh air in the park instead will do them good" but of course it's hard not to realise she regularly does a 2hr journey in one day.

Ok!! I may have been projecting my own experiences of being questioned and pressured onto you! 😊

Space can be emotional and mental as well as physical though. She may be much more comfortable with her own mum so staying over doesn’t feel so much. And that’s ok?

Are you totally, totally honest with yourself? I ask as I can’t see a single good word about DIL nor anywhere that you say…maybe I could have handled x better. Maybe I could focus on how kind it is they got me a hotel room etc. Maybe how much you clearly dislike your DIL is coming across?

or maybe she is genuinely a totally awful person. And you are seeing clearly. But personally, I always find it worthwhile to question my own contribution to situations. Because usually, except in extreme situations, it’s a bit of them and a bit of me creating the problem

Suzuki76 · 13/11/2024 21:54

Your own parents are a really known quantity. You don’t have to be polite to them. You know when you’ll be judged and not, so can navigate it. You’ve experienced their parenting. They’ve seen you on your grotty days you entire life. Your in laws aren’t the same. They’re in a similar bracket to your boss.

I've been a DIL for 15 years and known my in-laws for 21 and I think this is still true. Once you know they're looking at you through the lens of "parent of my beloved family member" the pressure can be incredible, even if you're just putting that on yourself.

However I would never deny them anything in terms of access to our DS. Both sides met him the day after we came home from hospital at exactly the same time.

I get on well with mine but I will always be mindful of what I say, how I say it and how it might be perceived. With my mum I can just phone her up and blurt out everything with no filter.

I suspect nobody can tell you why she is a bit cold and standoffish as there is no real reason other than she seems to have decided, rightly or wrongly, that she needs certain boundaries.

lawlessland · 13/11/2024 21:55

@ScaryM0nster I haven't quoted you as I know that's annoying but I wanted to say what a thoughtful post that was.

Obviously we can't really know what the DIL is thinking/feeling but it seems fairly realistic and explains what might be her perspective well.

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 22:00

I think you sound quite forceful. I would have thought the frequency of your visits was plenty based on the information given. And what kind of grandparent offers to take their GC's clothes away for washing and return them the following week? That's not normal at all and sounds like you wanted to engineer a reason to be allowed back sooner than planned. And I know you didn't actually say it, but even imagining asking your DD to ask DIL "why do you hate my mother?" is so ridiculously melodramatic. I would love to hear the other side of this tbh.

What's with all the DIL threads lately? Always a hardworking DS, happily married to normal sounding but apparently hateful SAHM-to-two DIL.

Littlemisscapable · 13/11/2024 22:04

Yes there are endless threads like these.... if this is real then I've no idea why dils behave like this. Lovely grandparents waiting in the wings to be involved in your kids lives ? For people who don't have any support this is the dream... just chill and enjoy.

NewToMotherhood1 · 13/11/2024 22:05

I think the best thing you could do here is to offer to help out, particularly when your son is working long hours. She’s probably just overwhelmed with her situation. I have 2 DC (3 & 1), never ask IL’s to babysit, they never offer either. If I ever need a sitter I ask my family. My family also regularly offer to help out. When PIL visit I feel like I’m hosting, need to clean ahead of time etc and add to my list of chores. Why don’t you offer to mind the kids in their home while they go on date night, DIL has a solo break while son is working weekends so she can go shopping, meet friends, spa day, gym whatever! Just acknowledge that she’s doing a lot for your son and that you would like to do something for her.

Pinkyandperkyofyesteryear · 13/11/2024 22:32

This is the issue, you can’t have it out with them. The minute you do you’ve lost. You’ve then put a divide between you and your son,
They then get the opportunity to say what an overbearing mother/mother in law you are. I would never want to put my sons in the position of having to think they need to make a choice. Surely there’s enough room for both partner and mother to love their sons and be able to watch them navigate their lives with their partners and children. After all we’ve done all the hard work of bringing them up, and no one can deny parenthood is the hardest job anyone will ever have. Some of us don’t want to interfere and dictate we just want a little bit of involvement in what could be a very enjoyable and lovely part of all our lives…family should mean support and consideration from all sides surely?

lemonstolemonade · 13/11/2024 22:52

I reckon that there must be other comments.

The C section one, the assumption that a baby will definitely nap at a particular time etc.

Your DIL might be quite oversensitive. She has gone from having a career of her own to giving hers up - and it sounds as if she either had to give it up or have seriously bullet proof childcare that assumed only she would be the one to work even if she wanted to. It sounds as if she enjoys being a SAHM, but it also sounds as if it is also kind of a scenario in which her choices might be constrained. Maybe, as your son is so successful, she is a bit oversensitive about being a successful mum. Try to have some empathy for her too.

JudgeJ · 13/11/2024 22:58

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:30

Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean

It means that as you're her in-law you are inferior to your son's in-law, that's the way the woman in a relationship likes things to be. Selfish but unfortunately true.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 13/11/2024 23:15

Honestly you’ve said a few judgemental things about her not liking cleaning and I wonder if you are less good at hiding your views than you think - look, tone of voice or even sharing what you do. I see my parents much more than my partners family simply because I feel mentally exhausted after spending time with his family as I have to be constantly polite and have to censor myself a lot. I have to always be “on” the hostess - smile and nod even when I totally disagree with everything people are saying.

Things that drive me nuts are his step mum saying things like “oh do you not hoover every day, I hoover every day”, she asked me if there was a special film on my windows or if they are just dirty! The first time I met her she told me she hates a certain colour that is in fashion and it looks disgusting (I was wearing a dress in said colour). She’s also made comments about immigrants and said things that make me suspect she is a bit racist.

The Xmas in his dad’s house we spent with her there (she’s only lived there a few years) she told me to come in and help her with the dishes and leave the men to drink with comments about how it’s the woman’s job to clean up. She makes a lot of comments since I took time off to mind my child about how it’s the man’s role to provide and women’s to keep a nice home and other such sexist stuff.

His dad is lovely but very old fashioned and has this head of the household thing where he likes to make all decisions, we do things to his schedule and organise to do the things they would like to do. This often is not easy with a toddler - going for walks with them when she wants to stop and play they keep walking and seem annoyed we stop for her and don’t keep up.

He has fussy dietary requirements, won’t eat lots of things and has to eat meat at most meals (my partner is vegetarian) so we have to cook two separate things when they visit (my family will just eat vegetarian when they visit). His step mum is also very fussy about textures and what she eats - no matter what we cook we get told that she doesn’t like x ingredient when we have gone out of our way to make an effort. It feels deliberate on her part to be honest.

They do not make themselves at home no matter how much I say it to them so we have to make every cup of tea, constantly checking if they need things and clear up after them. About ten weeks after my kid was born they visited, I was exhausted with breastfeeding through the night. My partner couldn’t help me at all in those few days as he was so busy waiting on his family, serving tea and cooking for them and we got comments about how disorganised we were and how they had hoped for more home cooked meals as we had some out. I love his dad but the ehole
dynamic feels very old fashioned and I feel I have to bite my lip about the imbalance, of not feeling like equals. When my mum visits she fits around us, helps out and is just very easy going. She is happy to watch my daughter dig on a beach or push her in the swings. We can talk politics (forbidden topic in my partners house) or about anything really. It is relaxed. I can tell her to go to hell if she’s annoying me and just make up the next day.

When we have visitors I take on the whole mental load, organise everything and get the house organised - it is always a lot of work and exhausting even if you were to take the cleaning out of it. My partner does not help, he gives zero input and just expects me to have everything planned and ready. When his family visit I have to make the place ridiculously clean - as in getting out poles to clean windows etc… and have to get in loads of food that is likely to be binned afterwards. With my family we do have to have the place clean (but not to the point that you worry about the skirting boards and windows) and get in nice food but we just cook one thing and don’t buy things that we won’t eat afterwards. His dad was always fussy which we didn’t mind too much but since getting with his 1950’s house wife who has banned talking about anything interesting it is just too much hard work. We do not do christmas there which they think is unfair and unbalanced but I like to relax on xmas and I just wouldn’t relax there, plus I don’t want my daughter exposed to his step mums right wing (possibly racist) views.

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 13/11/2024 23:27

lemonstolemonade · 13/11/2024 22:52

I reckon that there must be other comments.

The C section one, the assumption that a baby will definitely nap at a particular time etc.

Your DIL might be quite oversensitive. She has gone from having a career of her own to giving hers up - and it sounds as if she either had to give it up or have seriously bullet proof childcare that assumed only she would be the one to work even if she wanted to. It sounds as if she enjoys being a SAHM, but it also sounds as if it is also kind of a scenario in which her choices might be constrained. Maybe, as your son is so successful, she is a bit oversensitive about being a successful mum. Try to have some empathy for her too.

I agree with this. That and OP making a point of mentioning the C-section comment makes me think she subconsciously knows she hit a nerve with dil commenting on her birth preferences.

I’d like to hear the dils side. I was so polite and generous to my inlaws, it wasn’t so I could suck them in, as some posters have suggested this dil has, it was how I am. However years of domineering, rude and belittling comments have worn me down, and one day I snapped and went no contact.

I suspect it’s death by a thousand cuts @helpamilout . Throughout your posts I can feel dripping disapproval and I 💯 bet dil knows this. I also feel you have definitely offended her. I think it will take some very honest self reflection to think about whether you have been as generous hearted and kind as you say you have been.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/11/2024 23:34

Did you keep tabs on how much she visited her own parents vs saw you before the baby was born? I bet she saw them a lot more beforehand. She's just continuing what's normal. Your son needs to organize the baby seeing his side of the family.

Also, of course someone who is a hospital parent in recovery from a major medical event with her breasts out on display would want her own mother, but not her in laws, there with her.

I don't think you have a DIL issue I think you have a son issue

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/11/2024 23:40

Maria1979 · 12/11/2024 21:45

She was sweet to you until she became a mother. Then she didn't have to play nice anymore and went back to be the selfish person she probably always was. I am biaised because I have seen it happen in my family. Focus on your son. Surely he can invite you to HIS house to babysit.
And for the record I have a really close relationship with my Mil, even more so after I had children.

Selfish? Or busy caring for her kids and wanting a rest and recharge when she can with her own mum?

Lavender14 · 13/11/2024 23:49

I think it's much more than just a room though isn't it...? She needs to 'host' you. From what you've said your son is unlikely to be there to facilitate that which means that will all fall to her as well as the parenting etc. I also think people tend to feel more pressure on themselves when hosting in laws than their own family. I always got on really well with mine for the most part but I would have felt more pressure to cook and host and clean and entertain when they were visiting whereas with my own family I don't really care about their opinions as much so it's much more take me as they find me. I don't think it's fair to expect your dil to take on all that extra work - especially when you don't seem to be able to recognise the work that will go into it. Even with a cleaner etc there will still be things she needs to do to stay on top of things.

I also think I understand what she means about the driving... if I was to do a 2 hr drive with ds then I'd time it with his nap so that would be totally fine and easy enough done. But to do two 1 hr drives would mean he'll have an extra nap in the car on the way home later and I'd be up all night with him so that wouldn't work for me either. So in that respect I don't think she's being unreasonable.

I think you're maybe reading into things as a slight against you that are actually just her trying to survive and protect her routine. Not saying that applies to everything but certainly with a few things you've mentioned- as a parent with a child of a similar age I'd do the same.

NoisyDenimShaker · 14/11/2024 00:01

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 13/11/2024 23:27

I agree with this. That and OP making a point of mentioning the C-section comment makes me think she subconsciously knows she hit a nerve with dil commenting on her birth preferences.

I’d like to hear the dils side. I was so polite and generous to my inlaws, it wasn’t so I could suck them in, as some posters have suggested this dil has, it was how I am. However years of domineering, rude and belittling comments have worn me down, and one day I snapped and went no contact.

I suspect it’s death by a thousand cuts @helpamilout . Throughout your posts I can feel dripping disapproval and I 💯 bet dil knows this. I also feel you have definitely offended her. I think it will take some very honest self reflection to think about whether you have been as generous hearted and kind as you say you have been.

I don't find the OP's comments dripping with disapproval at all.

NoisyDenimShaker · 14/11/2024 00:04

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 20:47

@Pinkyandperkyofyesteryear this made me cry... it's so true. Oh and I completely recognise the "gifts have to be cleared" - I got a bubble machine once and got a stern look from DIL who then told me she was planning to get them one for Christmas. It was March. Any gift I give she looks at very closely, asks a million question (is this cotton? 100% cotton? Where did you buy it? When did you buy it?) and often puts away when GC reaches for it "I'll give it to you later"

I know someone exactly like this about child gifts, and she's a cold, selfish person who doesn't want her ILs anywhere near her. I'm sorry, OP. Your DIL just sounds as if she is, at heart, a cold, selfish person, not to mention a total pain. Who the hell claims not to have room for someone to stay when they clearly have 1 or 2 guestrooms? I've come across a handful of women in my life who are absolutely lovely to their male partners and not so lovely to most others. Maybe she's like that.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 14/11/2024 00:12

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 21:32

@UserNameNotAvailable9 I don't give her or my son the analysis - the analysis is for MN only.
When she says things like "there's no space to stay over" in a house with 2 spare rooms, I just politely smile and nod but it's difficult not to wonder about the 2 spare rooms. Or when she says the kids can't go to activities an hour away because 1hr there and 1hr back is too much for one day, I'll just agree and say "yeah it's a lot isn't it" or "yes you're right, the fresh air in the park instead will do them good" but of course it's hard not to realise she regularly does a 2hr journey in one day.

I have had my PIL stay in a b&b down the road the last few times they've visited (3.5hrs away).
I have done this because;

  1. I sleep in a separate room from DH and we both usually end up with a child in each of our beds
  2. we only have one bathroom so I find 4 adults and 2 kids sharing one bathroom way too much especially in the morning when everyone is trying to do their morning poop..
  3. MIL is quite full on and also a bit silly. She calls herself "mad" etc and I actually just find myself needing a break and have to go off and sit quietly in my bedroom for a while because I get so overstimulated!

My advice is to suggest visits but stay in a b&b

auderesperare · 14/11/2024 00:20

I think she might feel you are competing with her for her husband’s affection. I’d hate my MIL to bring a home made cake every time she visited- especially if I couldn’t cook. It would feel like trying to hard and rubbing my nose in it. There may be things you do and say, references to your son’s childhood that make her feel inadequate.
Or it may be a personality clash. She’s young. In time she may change and when the novelty of looking after v young kids wears thin, she may leap at the offer to babysit or have the kids for the night.
I’d stop trying too much in the meantime and just accept that she’s not close to you. You don’t need to keep fishing for reasons. You have great relationships with your son and your other DCs. Focus on these. In time your GC will become more independent and you will have a relationship with them which doesn’t depend entirely on their mother. Be polite and lovely as ever but don’t offer anything or bring anything or buy gifts for a while, just listen to her. Really listen. What does she need, who is she as a person? You are seeing her purely as the (difficult) gatekeeper to the GC and that may be a bit insulting.
I’m probably your age. Before I was married I had a wonderful relationship with my MIL. I loved visiting her. She was a delight. After marriage she was ok but less warm. She made it clear I had “taken her son away”. After I had kids, I was wholly expendable. She once told me I was not “of the blood” and my children and husband were. It was v hurtful. (I am sure you are not like this but my MIL would have been amazed if she thought she’d hurt me). Neither of my SILs could deal with her and both their marriages collapsed.
Despite all this and the strain it put on my own marriage, I still think of her fondly. She was an amazing character and I gave the eulogy at her funeral.
sometimes in inter-family relationships, as in interior design, less is more.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 14/11/2024 00:23

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 13/11/2024 23:27

I agree with this. That and OP making a point of mentioning the C-section comment makes me think she subconsciously knows she hit a nerve with dil commenting on her birth preferences.

I’d like to hear the dils side. I was so polite and generous to my inlaws, it wasn’t so I could suck them in, as some posters have suggested this dil has, it was how I am. However years of domineering, rude and belittling comments have worn me down, and one day I snapped and went no contact.

I suspect it’s death by a thousand cuts @helpamilout . Throughout your posts I can feel dripping disapproval and I 💯 bet dil knows this. I also feel you have definitely offended her. I think it will take some very honest self reflection to think about whether you have been as generous hearted and kind as you say you have been.

I agree. There are little nods to it all being down to the bad DIL
"Yes, I guess DS could take the kids away even if she doesn't "allow" but I'm guessing he doesn't want to go against her"

This seems fabricated in your head OP to paint her in a negative way but maybe, just maybe, they're working and parenting and just CBA visiting. Maybe it's your son who is the problem

Henrysmycat · 14/11/2024 05:56

The mental gymnastic people do around here, to excuse horrid behaviour to their in-laws is astounding.