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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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LilyBartsHatShop · 13/11/2024 14:31

Comparison is the thief of joy.

Naunet · 13/11/2024 14:32

CocoDC · 13/11/2024 14:13

This must be a bug bear for him though he hasn’t let you know. That he works this hard, earns so much for her to stay at home, but has to pay for a housekeeper 3 x a week and she doesn’t take on any of the faciliation work for gp contact that a normal sahm would while pissing off 2 hours one way multiple times a week to see her dp. The more you share the more I think the problem is her and their marriage.

Edited

Yes let's ignore and devalue the fact that it's also a luxury to have children and never have to take time out of work to care for them or arrange childcare. It's not a one way street.

BonfireToffee · 13/11/2024 14:34

This is meant kindly, genuinely.

You seem lovely, OP, but the fact is, you're her MIL, not her mother.

You do seem to be expecting her to do the wifework of managing, facilitating and improving your relationship with her, the kids, even your own son. She's not his PA, and it's not on her to arrange meet-ups and events for you all.

The way I see it, she deals with that stuff for her family; your son should handle his family.

Cravingtoffeeapples · 13/11/2024 14:48

I was on the other side of this sort of, aside from I was able to rise above a lot of things (Dhs family quite toxic, we met when young and they weren’t great to me)
Before dd arrived, I always replied lots to her Whatsapps (there were a lot) Dh is rubbish so she often had to find out about our lives through me. Things happened though, such as her telling my sil private things i’d told her and so on, plus it was overwhelming as I had work and my own life. When I was pregnant with dd, I don’t know of it was hormones, but I just found the attention really unwanted and intrusive, things like giving dd a name she liked and asking how baby x was the name she’d chosen) everything annoyed me and I found she could be quite manipulative at times too. Once dd arrived, I literally did not have the time or energy for lengthy WhatsApp chats, but always said to dh that he should call his mum and actively encouraged it, then I gave up on that as didnt feel it was my job to be telling a 40 something year old man to contact his mum more or send her a birthday card 🤷🏻‍♀️
I dont know, maybe i’m an awful person, just being honest

thenoldmrsrabbit · 13/11/2024 14:58

@helpamilout

I really think you should accept and make the best time of what time their family allocates your family in terms of socialising.

You aren't a " all live in the same town " type of family where family ties are easy to maintain and you can offer to collect the kids from school one day or take them to a sports activity.

Be the best grandparents you can and the best MIL you can when you see them. Don't wish for a different type of family because it isn't realistic and will only cause upset.

If you stay upbeat now, it's more likely to maintain a friendly, if not particularly close relationship with their family.

StrungWithSilverBellsAndFlowers · 13/11/2024 15:02

As a DIL and now a MIL, this sounds hard OP. You sound as though you are genuinely seeking insight and want to improve the relationship.

Some of the replies here are rather harsh, IMO.

Years back, when my MIL was really quite unpleasant with me I spoke to her directly about it. I think if I felt there was something not right in my relationships with either of my DILs I'd be tempted to do the same - to ask if I had done something to offend or upset.

I hope things improve for you.

5iveleafclovers · 13/11/2024 15:16

I also was reluctant at first to leave them minding the baby. They parented very differently to me. And then they stopped offering even though I'd have no issue now that I'm 3 kids in and past the precious first born phase

I wonder why they stopped offering. Tis a mystery🙄

Wellingtonspie · 13/11/2024 15:29

5iveleafclovers · 13/11/2024 15:16

I also was reluctant at first to leave them minding the baby. They parented very differently to me. And then they stopped offering even though I'd have no issue now that I'm 3 kids in and past the precious first born phase

I wonder why they stopped offering. Tis a mystery🙄

Haha indeed. Mind boggling.

I was the same in the sense I didn’t want free time or overnight babysitting. Though fortunately even now as teenagers I still don’t want to/need to. Otherwise its rather cutting one’s nose off.

We do school time dates and such and trips to the beach when they have after school clubs alone but otherwise I choose to have children it’s my job to raise them.

jolota · 13/11/2024 15:44

I think is a recurring theme with these kinds of threads that I find difficult to relate to.
That grandparents on both parents side should be entitled to equal access to the grandchildren even when that means by extension the parents.
Even if you are the nicest, kindest, most welcoming MIL in the world - that might never be enough to have the same level of relationship as your DIL has with her own parents.
She goes to see her own parents mid week probably because she's comfortable with them! She would likely not be comfortable visiting your house mid week with your son only joining on the weekend. That doesn't seem like an unusual scenario to me. Most people would probably admit to feeling more comfortable with their own parents than their PIL.
Your son should be and is the one managing your relationship with your grandchildren, you are seeing them as often as I think can be realistic given his work schedule.
Perhaps that alone is the issue, that she feels pressure to spend more time with you, from your son or you, when she's never really comfortable or relaxed in your presence?
Or maybe there is something else going on, you'll have to have the conversation to find out.
In terms of visiting the baby, I wouldn't mind my mother seeing me in a hospital robe exhausted and drained post birth, but I can't think of anyone else I would have felt comfortable being there, certainly not my husbands parents!
I wouldn't tell anyone I was pregnant before 20 weeks unless I was comfortable enough to talk to them if I had a loss. Maybe she's just not prepared to have to deal with that kind of conversation with you.
The expectation that everything will be exactly equal when your DIL is the one doing most child rearing is unrealistic, because she's obviously going to favour her own family and its your sons job to favour you, which he does appear to be trying to do. I think when the children are older and have less need for their primary care giver, a conversation about changing the dynamic could be broached but if they need their mother at this time then you have to accept that its a joint package situation rather than pushing for visits without her now.
TLDR Comparison is the thief of joy, focus on your grandchildren, enjoy your time with them. Be polite to your DIL but don't expect her to have the same level of relationship with you as her own parents.

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 15:47

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:40

We've done this once, and I would very happily do it. DIL says that it's still a bit far (this was with 1 little one, let alone 2 kids) to go, an hours drive is a lot for a child each way and that it disrupts their schedule, and she feels sad that they spend 2hrs in the car (an hour each way) rather than using that time to play outside.
Of course I could mention that she regularly does a 2hr drive to her parents' house, one way, obviously in one day... but what do I get out of this - if she doesn't want to, she doesn't want to, and forcing her won't do any good.

She feels "sad" about her children having a one-hour car journey broken up by a visit before a one-hour car journey home?

I think she sounds rather precious.

Also, the use of the word "sad" has been misappropriated these days.

Sunseeker83 · 13/11/2024 15:52

This could be my MIL writing this aside from the fact that they live in the same town as us and my family live on the other side of the world so the competitive grandparenting element isn't there.

I have enough to do let alone adding all the MIL admin into it That's his job. He can arrange visits, presents etc. I refuse to take that on. Even if MiL expects me to (trad gender views).

We have spoken about it. We both work full time, we both contribute financially, physically and emotionally to our children, household, relationship. This is how we've decided some of the other stuff should be split. I look after things for my family, he for his. It's not my fault he doesn't really care about some of these things therefore my family get much more thoughtful interactions. I can prompt him and do but if he decides not to do it. It's not my fault.

I also bloody wish MIL could babysit. Unfortunately DH doesn't trust her to. I know she thinks it's me. It's not.

I imagine you have a slack DH issue. Not a DIL issue

Laiste · 13/11/2024 15:59

Can anyone imagine a man getting funny about how much time his son in law spends with his own father?
...

Anyway, that aside, yes i would still tell your son you are in the area when you are randomly at his siblings house. Let him respond.

The update about his weekends - that in fact he works one day a weekend a couple of times a month, rather than the whole weekend twice a month - makes me think he's definitely happy seeing you once a month for longer quality time rather than 'popping' sorts of visits throughout the month.

My DH loves his mum but wouldn't want a weekend visit every month. He works most saturdays and he likes to chill at the weekend at home and switch right off. His mum likes to talk. And talk and talk and talk. And he feels he has to engage because she's come to talk to him.

DH is just not into hours of chatting. A quick half hour catch up over whats app every couple of weeks is fine for him (and he will be the one to instigate the call) but face to face for ages - not more than once every 6 weeks or so.

For me also I'd find a rigid weekend per month having MIL over draining. The weeks fly by and the weekends are over in the blink of an eye. There's always stuff needs doing with the kids or the house and birthdays ect ect. One in 4 weekends being penciled in for MIL would feel like LOADS!

Fraudornot · 13/11/2024 16:02

I havent read the full thread but I think the following are unreasonable
-Making you wait a month to meet a new grandchild
-only 2 visits a year
-saying no to babysitting
I think you should focus on this and say to ds you want to have a closer relationship with your grandchild rather than focus on the dil. But you are not being unreasonable to want more and, as someone with grown up children who had both sets of grandparents until recently, its to the huge benefit of the grandchildren to have all these special people in their life. So meet with your son and focus on that and ask how you can work together to make this happen.

ABirdsEyeView · 13/11/2024 16:03

It's not really the same @Sunseeker83 - both you and your dh are working ft and splitting life responsibilities equally. Of course it's not on you to facilitate anything in those circumstances. But OPs dil is a sahp - facilitating this sort of thing is kind of her job since she has all the time in the week and dh is the only one working and that's how they've decided to split the responsibilities

Laiste · 13/11/2024 16:10

ABirdsEyeView · 13/11/2024 16:03

It's not really the same @Sunseeker83 - both you and your dh are working ft and splitting life responsibilities equally. Of course it's not on you to facilitate anything in those circumstances. But OPs dil is a sahp - facilitating this sort of thing is kind of her job since she has all the time in the week and dh is the only one working and that's how they've decided to split the responsibilities

OPs dil is a sahp - facilitating this sort of thing is kind of her job since she has all the time in the week

Says who?
(Obviously not the son or the DIL in this scenario, which is what matters most)

But no, just because you're a SAHP it doesn't mean you have to spend time alone with anybody if you don't want to ! DIL doesn't want to. I wouldn't want to visit with my MIL on my own.

DH certainly wouldn't want to visit with my mother on his own. Even if he had ''all the time in the week''. He doesn't like her, and i wouldn't ask him to.

The OP sees the family once a month.

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 16:16

Fraudornot · 13/11/2024 16:02

I havent read the full thread but I think the following are unreasonable
-Making you wait a month to meet a new grandchild
-only 2 visits a year
-saying no to babysitting
I think you should focus on this and say to ds you want to have a closer relationship with your grandchild rather than focus on the dil. But you are not being unreasonable to want more and, as someone with grown up children who had both sets of grandparents until recently, its to the huge benefit of the grandchildren to have all these special people in their life. So meet with your son and focus on that and ask how you can work together to make this happen.

OP's son and DIL only visit her twice a year but OP and her DH are invited to visit them once a month. Her son organises a schedule of activities during these visits and often pays for them to stay in a hotel, so she does see her grandchildren very regularly, although less than her DIL's parents.

Whatsitreallylike · 13/11/2024 16:27

Have you complained to your son about how little you see them at all? This will have got back to her and might be clouding her judgement of you.

Do ‘they’ visit her parents together or does she visit when he’s working? I could imagine her choosing to see her family in her own time and spending time as a family when your DS is off work, especially is her works a lot.
And when her mum stays does it overlap when your DS would be at work? I could imagine her not being keen to host you on her own. If her DM came down on a Sunday and stayed to Monday for example they probably spend the Monday together. You wouldn’t have the same opportunity to do this with your DS as he’d be working.

On the whole it does seem really mean spirited, but if she’s choosing to spend time as above and then you’re (however nicely) asking your son why not you, she would be told second hand and probably think youre being unreasonable. That might explain the behaviour change even if you’ve done nothing directly. Remember he will likely have told her everything you’ve said.

Maria1979 · 13/11/2024 16:53

@helpamilout Dear OP. I think you sound lovely. Unfortunately your Dil is not thinking about you nor her dc relationship with you. She's happy being a Sahm (I am as well but without cleaner and cook:) and she likes spending time with her parents. You are of no interest to her. I am sorry but it's obvious. She doesn't dislike you, she just isn't bothered to have a close relationship with you. It's sad for the dc and your son but I think that you will be happier if you accept this and get involved elsewhere.

Judecb · 13/11/2024 17:59

Just sit them down and have a frank discussion. I would add, from your description, your DIL could be depressed.

geekygardener · 13/11/2024 18:40

Could you move closer? You have another child in the sane town as your son? Where are your other two dc? Was it you who moved? If you moved closer short but more frequent visits would be easier and you'd be able to build a better relationship with your son and his wife

ottersinmotion · 13/11/2024 18:40

Gosh, when I first started reading your post I had a moment of wondering if you were MY MIL! I remember the years of being overly polite, trying to make a good impression, biting my tongue when MIL made inappropriate or rude comments (or shocking “observations” on peoples weight, looks ect) and then one day I just stopped trying because guess what…nothing I do or say will ever be good enough for MIL.
My MIL is just “too much” for me and I got sick of the constant judgement and criticism so I now try to avoid her.

Same! At some point you realize that she is making these comments about you to other people. A mutual friend repeated MIL's comments about me so now I have stopped telling MIL anything about myself or my friends/ family. When MIL asks questions, I give short responses because I don't know if she cares or is just looking for gossip.

I'll add that I've made the mistake of allowing DH to blame me for the things he doesn't want to do. He didn't want to take young DC to see MIL by himself (he wasn't comfortable with managing food and naps, etc on his own), so he said that I didn't want them to go. He didn't want to have her babysit (it's a lot of work for him since MIL requires a lot of attention) so he said that I wasn't comfortable with it (I was fine with it since I was away and it was no work for me). He doesn't want more visits with her since she's a lot of work (constant need for planned activities), but he blames me. I've become the fall guy because he doesn't want to tell her the truth.

Wellingtonspie · 13/11/2024 18:44

Judecb · 13/11/2024 17:59

Just sit them down and have a frank discussion. I would add, from your description, your DIL could be depressed.

Or as a sahm she visits her friends and family as a pleasure during her time without her dh, when the dh is home they invite around his family once a month sometimes staying over at hotel paid for.

Nobody has the right to demand someone’s time nor to do their babysitting. Nothing tends to set the spider senses on edge quite like someone demanding to have your child alone.

Dishwashersaurous · 13/11/2024 18:57

The son is barely around, as he's constantly at work, so therefore doesn't see very much of the children at all.

Therefore he probably never looks after then himself for any significant period of time. Which means that he going out with the children would be very unusual.

It's entirely his responsibility to maintain a relationship with you. Not hers.

Therefore it is with him that you need to talk.

Mymanyellow · 13/11/2024 18:59

You mentioned you have four children. Have any of your others dcs have any clue what’s going on? How are their relationships? Are they close?

summersolsticesoon · 13/11/2024 19:00

"This must be a bug bear for him though he hasn’t let you know. That he works this hard, earns so much for her to stay at home, but has to pay for a housekeeper 3 x a week and she doesn’t take on any of the faciliation work for gp contact that a normal sahm would while pissing off 2 hours one way multiple times a week to see her dp. The more you share the more I think the problem is her and their marriage."

I assumed this was sarcasm or a joke?

Some posters seem to be answering the post.

Surely this is not serious?