Queen Camilla taking part in a documentary to highlight abuse of women

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Apoplectic that ITV have chosen Queen Camilla to host a documentary highlighting the domestic abuse of women when she was King Charle's OW for many years and complicit in his abuse of Princess Diana.

World gone mad!

No, she didn't find "gifts". It was one gift, a goodbye gift as he was giving up his friendship (not affair) with Camilla for Diana's sake.

I've got lots of photos, it doesn't mean I'm having an affair with the people in them.

That Lady Fermoy testified against her daughter is irrelevant in the story of Charles and Diana. She knew Diana was mentally unstable and admitted that she shouldn't have encouraged the match, but the appeal of a close relative as a senior member of the RF was too tempting. She was also a close confidant of the Queen Mother so Charles + Diana was a perfect match on paper. Incidentally, Diana's own mother, Frances Shand Kydd, was none too happy about the marriage. She knew it was unlikely to be successful due to Diana's mental instability.

Diana was fed lies by Martin Bashir to make her paranoid. Consequently, she stopped using Metropolitan police security. Had he not done this, she would not have had a drunk security guard.

Charles was visibly distraught when he went to Paris after she died. His marriage with Diana didn’t work out, but he has never said a bad word about her. He praised her fun parenting style and her ability to engage with the public. That’s quite something, given how unsuited they were to each other. It’s also worth remembering that the upper classes are routinely unfaithful and invariably stay married to each other. Charles and Diana were perhaps the last generation to have an arranged marriage. They both knew that it was dynastic, not romantic.

I wonder if she said anything to her BFF Jeremy Clarkson after he wrote a column saying he wanted to see Meghan paraded naked and having shit flung at her? Sounded pretty abusive to me and no way would he have dared to publish his weird misogynistic violent sexual kink if he felt it would damage his relationship with Camilla, her MIL.

No, my point is that if Camilla is being accused, by some, of being an abuser of Diana, Diana is a bigger abuser of women and Camilla was also abused by whoever her own husband had affairs with.

Personally, I don't regard Camilla 's behaviour with Charles as abusive of Diana but I am making the point that if Camilla is to be judged on those terms, the judgement of Diana must be at least as harsh rather than simply as the poor victim.

100% agree with you, op.
She knew exactly the trauma that Diana was suffering thanks to her and Charles. To inflict that on another woman, a mother of two children, is disgusting.

All these women were criticising Diana and not looking at themselves,

If Frances shand kydd cared so much about Diana's mental stability , why did she leave the family home. She could have put the children first . She put herself first.

And also instead of criticising charles (who also had a lot of bad tendencies) they criticised their Diana. Why, simply because the royal family were more important

I'm watching the programme now.
I don't give a fuck who carried on with who.

I give a fuck that this programme had to be made at all, that all these charities and refuges had to exist, that women are never ever going to be safe.

I hope this programme has opened a lot of people's eyes.

Diana has been dead almost 30 years. She is past help and should be past grief. Life is for the living, not the long dead. I can't believe people still hold grudges about something that happened 40 years ago on behalf of a dead woman none of us knew.
Charles should have married Camilla, not Diana. They are happy together and have been since way before Diana's death. He and Diana has about two years of some happiness, if that

@Sylviacrystal
I think you're getting far away from the original point, which was about Camilla drawing attention to domestic violence.
The fact is, Charles and Diana were married, Diana manipulated the press to be sympathetic to her and lots of people fell for it.
Now Charles is married to Camilla, Camilla is Queen Camilla and her influence is very valuable on the subject of domestic violence.

Well why didn't he bloody marry camilla not Diana.

Yes he was under pressure. But he was an adult he should have stood up for himself.

People don't like it because Diana was dragged into it like a lamb to a slaughter and used as a breeding machine

I'm not getting far away from the original point.

The opening post of this thread said how hypocritical it is for camilla to do this documentary, precisely because of what she did to Diana. And we have all been discussing that.

She the Queen. The Queen doing work with charities and standing up and saying on national TV about the issues that so many women face can only be a good thing.

OP, at this stage in her life when what's done is done, what would you like Camilla to do differently on the matter, presuming it is important to her for whatever reason? She could do nothing, donate privately with no raising awareness, or she could do this public work which brings a lot of attention given her profile?

I think this is an excellent point.
I don’t think Camilla abused Diana at all I think she caused her a lot of emotional pain but comparing her to a DV perpetrator is a reach.

I am no fan of Royalty, but Camilla has spoken out about DV before and I believe she said she knows women affected.

Having an affair because of a bad marriage and a difficult partner is not abuse FFS. I believe Diana had more affairs than Charles when they were married anyway.

but Diana did exactly that. Not to one but multiple women, if anything Diana was far worse than both Charles and Camilla.

But somehow I don’t think that if Diana had still been alive and hosting the same documentary the op would be so annoyed. But why not?

No one likes the other woman.

And camilla is the most infamous other woman in the UK.

I thought the programme was excellent and Camillia was great, as was Rosie Duffield and all the other brave women who spoke out.

@Sylviacrystal and it's not hypocritical at all because whatever happened in the past is irrelevant now.

But I don't think it is irrelevant

I'm enjoying that this thread has gone from anti-Camilla to a Camilla love-in. Its overdue.

I have not read the full thread but I’d like to know when Camilla’s interest in these charities began exactly .
I suspect the charity work and the choice of this area in particular formed part of the intensive image rehabilitation effort that royal advisors set in train for Camilla . Wasn’t a tabloid editor employed ?
We’ve all seem the photos of Camilla laughing it up with Jeremy clarkson, and we know what he wrote .

She made her choices. She wasn't blameless and was highly manipulative herself. She's long dead. Stop getting so worked up about her- you sound ridiculous. She doesn't care any more and had made her peace with Charles well before she died.

Of course people think that the Royal Family killed Diana. The most photographed and recognisable woman in the world, who had just started to get her independence, suddenly dies without warning. I’d be amazed if there wasn’t people thinking it was a conspiracy. Complete accidents happened but when it happens to someone in her position people find it very hard to accept at face value.

It’s like if we woke up to the news tomorrow that Taylor Swift had died in an accident, many people would suddenly start looking for proof that wasn’t there.

Ah I see now, there's more to it than what happened in the 1980s. It touches a nerve with you.