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Queen Camilla taking part in a documentary to highlight abuse of women

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OWRLOSERS · 11/11/2024 20:23

Apoplectic that ITV have chosen Queen Camilla to host a documentary highlighting the domestic abuse of women when she was King Charle's OW for many years and complicit in his abuse of Princess Diana.

World gone mad!

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Startingagainandagain · 12/11/2024 07:47

Daft.

She did not 'abuse' anyone.

Good on her for using her profile to raise awareness of these issues.

All royals are involved with various charities.

I am not their biggest fan but I do think at least them supporting various good causes is a positive.

BMW6 · 12/11/2024 07:54

TofuTart · 12/11/2024 00:20

Was fully agreeing with the comment, wouldn't have used the word chick myself (prefer OW) but the sentiment I agree with.
🙄 at "somebody didn't speak lady like enough, must be a man" - par for the cause on MN.

Well in all my 67 years I'm certain I've never heard a woman refer to other women as "chicks".

Havalona · 12/11/2024 08:21

I think the marriage of C+C is successful because they don't live together full time.

Are both of them too "mature" now to play away anymore with others? That may be another factor in their "settling down" now.

As for supporting charities, I'm all for positive publicity, but something inside me just doesn't rate the sincerity of the lot of them. Do as I say, not as I do kind of thing.

OWRLOSERS · 12/11/2024 09:59

Infidelity is a form of domestic abuse because it can be as demoralizing and damaging as a physical attack. To conduct an affair psychological abuse and coercive control are always involved particularly gaslighting and use of Darvo. An affair creates a power imbalance where the innocent party is denied agency and their sexual health placed at risk. Upon discovery a spouse feels humiliated, hurt, vulnerable, and helpless. Imagine how this may feel if you were married to the next king of UK and constantly under public scutiny? Adultery is not only devastating for the spouse, but for the children as well and carries long term consequences as we have observed.

We all know Charles shouldn't have married Diana, but he and Camilla could and should have behaved appropriately. An affair is a choice and both knew the potential consequences of their actions on Diana.

It is irrelevant they appear to have been happily married for X amount of years or that Diana went to have several affairs (with married men) herself.

Totally lost any respect for the monachy and he will always be in my eyes an abuser lacking in integrity along with his accomplice Camilla.

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Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:01

Camilla was an abuser. Full stop.

BIossomtoes · 12/11/2024 10:04

tuvamoodyson · 12/11/2024 07:00

Are you ‘apoplectic’ (how very dramatic!) over Diana’s affairs??

Why have you quoted me? I’m not apoplectic about anything.

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:05

I don't like camillas chain smoking gravelly voice too. She's like a caricature of the other woman

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:07

@OWRLOSERS

That is an interesting post
I think what you are saying continues to resonate with many people , especially as Diana was so young and hopeful. I’ve seen Charles’ ‘whatever love is’ remark on YouTube, with Diana looking shell shocked beside him - how utterly crass he is
Proably worried about what Camilla would say

And no, royalists making reference to the passage of time , to Henry VIII etc does not work .
I wonder how religious people feel about it - Charles ( and soon William ?!!) head of the church . Though with the news about the terrible abuse in the CofE ans the establishment looking the other way , it’s all brushed under the caroet. Oh yes it’s all about ‘forgiveness ‘ isn’t it - for them of course but woe betide anyone who exposes their machinations - no forgiveness there .

The monarchy cheapens the UK

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:07

Do you remember when Diana said she confronted Camilla about what was going on.

She said she said to Camilla, "I know what's going on I'm not stupid".
And camilla said to her "what are you upsetting about, you have everything, you have two boys".

And Diana said "I want my husband".

Camilla was so cold and uncaring to Diana all the time. She acted like it was totally fine for her to be having a long term affair with Diana's husband

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:11

I’d add that I’ve never been the other woman and there’s been no infidelity in my long marriage. We are far from perfect but some things just aren’t right . Loyalty matters

If I had been the other woman maybe I’d view Camilla differently . Queen side piece indeed

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:21

I think it’s because the Windsors are writ large in the UK ( whether we like it or not - increasingly not!) that these issues matter so much .
So Charles and Camilla ( and others) gaslighting Diana etc then Diana’s death then Camilla crowned - it does not sit right . Comparing it to our lives isn’t justifiable- I’m sure all the Windsors have affairs but this one was suspected about for so long , denied, then admitted then the PR started . So cynical

Mylovelygreendress · 12/11/2024 10:24

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:01

Camilla was an abuser. Full stop.

Don’t be ridiculous. Using your logic Diana was also an abuser as she had affairs with married men !

EdithWeston · 12/11/2024 10:36

Ukisgaslit · 11/11/2024 23:04

@EdithWeston
Your link is from 2013- are you saying that’s when Camilla’s interest in this area began ? So 10 years ago ?

Yes, she started in 2013 (with public actions and patronages, and presumably had had a period of interest before that)

The link is current, btw, as it includes info on what she's done since then, including internationally) and charities she's only recently had a link with such as STORM
About – STORM Family Centre

EdithWeston · 12/11/2024 10:38

Seasmoke · 12/11/2024 06:07

The fact that homelessness is a complex issue means that really it shouldn't be left to Royalty. It needs proper solutions and money ( just like early childhood), not Royals tinkering and pretending it's their ' life's work' when they are not doing anything effective. Camilla talking about domestic violence highlights a criminal act which affects every section of society and may encourage victims, perhaps older or more middle/upper class victims too to come forward or relatives to question what is happening. William not spending any of his substantial fortune sorting out his own backyard and his own properties, not revealing his taxes ( when that money would go into a pot that is used to treat some of the causes of homelessness via the NHS and housing) and taking money from charities is different. Everyone goes mad with praise when William does a minimal thing but no one questions whether what he is doing is useful or effective. Just like Earthshot, which spent more on glitzy events than it did on prizes last time we were told. The press woukd rather talk about the one outfit a year William may reuse rather than his wifes enormous collection of remarkably similar clothes in slightly different shades or patterns, or the enormous carbon footprint of his family. The problem with Royalty pretending they care about complex issues is that gives the powerful an excuse to sit with Prince William or Kate and nod and pretend they are doing something but no one will scrutinise the actual effectiveness of any of these things because when it comes to the Royals, no one does. I actually think they should go off like old fashioned Royals an shake hands and cut ribbons and visit patronages. Preferably not while ripping off the NHS and charities.

Edited

Good job then that William is using his position to convene the experts ion the complex issues, rather than attempting to position himself as the expert.

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:39

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:11

I’d add that I’ve never been the other woman and there’s been no infidelity in my long marriage. We are far from perfect but some things just aren’t right . Loyalty matters

If I had been the other woman maybe I’d view Camilla differently . Queen side piece indeed

I realise I sound totally santimonious in that post . I was being honest about my world view, not implying that I’m superior .

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:41

@EdithWeston
Thank you - you have proved my point
Camilla had not been working with domestic violence all her life .
It was part of the rehabilitation of her image .
I think the PR guru who masterminded it won an award !

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:44

@EdithWeston
For Gods sake - experts do not need William to convene them !
He’s leeching off others’ work for spin

Stop being a slumlord , pay your taxes and stop ripping off public services William ! Now that would make a difference
I’ll not hold my breath

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:48

Lots of sources have said that Charles and Camilla hired a PR team to improve Camillas extremely bad image.

This documentary is surely part of that. It's all carefully planned

TofuTart · 12/11/2024 11:11

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 10:07

Do you remember when Diana said she confronted Camilla about what was going on.

She said she said to Camilla, "I know what's going on I'm not stupid".
And camilla said to her "what are you upsetting about, you have everything, you have two boys".

And Diana said "I want my husband".

Camilla was so cold and uncaring to Diana all the time. She acted like it was totally fine for her to be having a long term affair with Diana's husband

😓

EdithWeston · 12/11/2024 11:42

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 10:41

@EdithWeston
Thank you - you have proved my point
Camilla had not been working with domestic violence all her life .
It was part of the rehabilitation of her image .
I think the PR guru who masterminded it won an award !

Edited

Really?

I thought the period when deliberate rehabilitation was believed to have taken place was before they married.

Are you insinuating that there is no substance to her actions in this area? Or that they've not really happened? Or what?

EdithWeston · 12/11/2024 11:45

TofuTart · 12/11/2024 11:11

😓

If this conversation took place when she had two boys, then this may well be after Diana began her first affair, which we now know began before Harry's second birthday.

Sylviacrystal · 12/11/2024 11:51

EdithWeston · 12/11/2024 11:45

If this conversation took place when she had two boys, then this may well be after Diana began her first affair, which we now know began before Harry's second birthday.

This argument doesn't wash at all. We talk about camillas affair, and you bring up Diana's affair

If you think that Diana's affair is bad, then it also means that you think that Camillas affair is bad!!

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 11:52

It’s not complicated @EdithWeston
Im saying that Camilla had an image problem , her image being someone who hurt Diana and was the other woman in a marriage .
A PR professional looks to where you are weak - when picking a charity that was borne in mind .
She started working with the charity in her 60s

We can draw our own conclusions .

I don’t believe the royals do anything out of the goodness of their hearts - they wouldn’t be billionaires off the backs of the people if they did .

5128gap · 12/11/2024 12:06

Women are living in terror in their own homes. They are hurt, maimed and killed, and left with life long physical and emotional scars. If any woman wants to stand up beside us and add their voice and influence to try to change that, no one has any business gatekeeping to reject her on the basis of her misdeeds and character flaws. All that matters in context is that she is on the same side as the rest of us where that issue is concerned.
Sleeping with a married man is not femicide. Knowing he is lying to his wife is not fracturing a woman's skull. There are degrees of harm. And your false equivalence between QCs role as the OW and the male behaviour we should be prioritising to address (in a united way) to make women safer is very jarring to say the least.

Ukisgaslit · 12/11/2024 12:21

Two things can be true at once

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