I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

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Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

If you would like to look back at all the times the tory party specifically has reformed itself after disaster, and then come back stronger, you will enjoy yourself.

What do you mean?

Our local pool has men walking around naked in the “community changing area”. There are cubicles for changing, yet these men just walk freely naked during weekend “family swim”

The management pretend it’s not happening, they just respond “it’s a community change area”

As a result, no families or women attend more than once as they didn’t already know about the men who want to show little children & women their genitalia. I’m not even sure these guys swim!

It’s no longer “ok” to call out flashers in public places …. Because of “equality”?

Go on then, let's hear it. Examples please.

Exactly

The Conservative Party has had several cycles of defeat, reflection, and resurgence over its long history. Here are some key examples:

1846: Repeal of the Corn Laws
• Figures: Robert Peel
• Reason: Peel repealed the Corn Laws to alleviate the Irish Famine, splitting the Tories and causing a major schism.
• Outcome: The Conservatives were out of power for nearly two decades, but they returned in the late 1860s by broadening their appeal with Disraeli’s social reforms.

1906: Landslide Liberal Victory
• Figures: Arthur Balfour
• Reason: Lost due to unpopular policies on tariff reform and opposition to free trade.
• Outcome: Conservatives spent years reorganizing and adapted to the new Labour movement, eventually returning under the leadership of Stanley Baldwin with a focus on moderate reforms.

1945: Post-War Labour Victory
• Figures: Winston Churchill
• Reason: Voters wanted social reform and recovery after WWII, and Labour’s welfare state promises resonated.
• Outcome: Conservatives returned in 1951 under Churchill, adopting some of Labour’s welfare policies to modernize their appeal.

1964-1979: Back-and-Forth with Labour
• Figures: Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher
• Reason: Heath lost to Labour over economic struggles and industrial unrest.
• Outcome: Thatcher took leadership, redefined the party with free-market policies, and came back strong in 1979 with a long conservative era.

1997: New Labour Landslide
• Figures: John Major
• Reason: Lost due to divisions over Europe and unpopular economic measures.
• Outcome: After a long period of opposition, David Cameron modernized the party with a socially liberal, fiscally conservative stance, winning in 2010.

2017-2019: Brexit Turmoil
• Figures: Theresa May, Boris Johnson
• Reason: May’s failure to deliver Brexit led to a loss of majority and political chaos.
• Outcome: Johnson refocused on Brexit, won a majority in 2019, and pushed through the UK’s exit from the EU.

These setbacks often led the Conservatives to rethink their policies or leadership, allowing them to return stronger by addressing new social or economic issues.

I totally agree with you and this is why this thread is frustrating plus uou have laid it out better than how I can

How many people would you need to offer safe routes to to meet the demand in the list of countries you propose?

I said that earlier I was ignored but these are those that were apparently on the left dont uou know

You seriously hold up Boris Johnson's (or Theresa May's? Or David Cameron's?) government as an inspirational example? Wow.

OP, respectfully, I think it's time for a cup of tea.

You're still not making any sense.

This is funny, the right "go on" about it, but it is the left that are doing it. The right don't want the changes that are being imposed on them - they're not doing it to themselves? So this whole "the right are obsessed with culture wars stuff" is such a disingenuous nonsense. Its absolutely the lefts obsession

If you take the prize of power at any cost - which the right generally does - then yes.

You might not agree, I don't even agree, but they think they are right.

I am still, as it pains me to point out, left wing.

Can you give me an example of how someone can 'not agree with themselves'?

It's really not hard.

How many people will need to arrive by safe route so everyone who wants to do that gets to do so?

No it's called having a stance if you stand gor nothing you fall for everything hence why folks like you must be OK with trump and his disgusting stance

I think what's being stated is that if you conducted a national survey in these countries as to who would like to come to the UK, what would those numbers be

I agree

I m like OP and many posters who have described it better than I could (the comment about the left being rich people who feel guilty being rich but resent the ones richer than them will stay with me)

There’s also a true self-hate of Western values and history in the left, this is a very harmful way to try to correct the errors of the past. There is an unavowed, sacred rule that white culture is bad because of its colonial past, so all non-white cultures are intrinsically better and shall not be challenged, end of. It’s over-simplistic, archaic, and actually quite racist.

Based on that assumption, the left has sabotaged any attempt at integration for the people coming from migration because “non-Western cultures shall not be challenged” principle. It is balkanising and unraveling British society, and nothing can be said about it.

Most issues from multiculturalism are related to social practices and cultural values, not skin colour or race if you take the time to listen and get to the root of the problem. But it’s a lot easier for the left to bring everything back to racism, supremacy, fascism, etc. and shut it down.

Why are you asking? Do you not think there should be safe and legal routes for people fleeing war and persecution?

I agree with you

Cognitive dissonance.

I can give others if you wish….

🤣 "why are you asking" the typical response from leftists reluctant to acknowledge inconvenient facts.

The right don't want the changes because they want to go backwards to a time where you know equality wasn't seen as needing to be there. But that isn't the left, doing the culture war that is people changing with time, realising that at 1 point being gay was illegal. We now realise that's not right, so if you want to stick in bloody history. And not move with the time this is the push back. I get it, but let's not pretend otherwise.
So you are fundamentally set out what is going on here? This is the right push back because they don't want equality for minorities that includes trans people as well

I think there shall be a lot of infighting with the Democrats for a year or two and hopefully a time of reflection. They have to change direction or risk being out of office for a number of years

I personally do not understand the support for Trump but I do not live in the states, what is important culturally is very different, but I can also understand why many people didn't feel they wanted to vote for the Democrats