I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

That's a myth and lie. Firstly, trans is only a recent thing (transvestites before this didn't use female spaces), and before then, if a male entered our space we'd know and could call the police and the pervert would be charged with Indecent Exposure. Now, if we call the police, we are the ones charged! It's a complete reversal of how it was for decades.

That all changed with the Equality Act was re-written.

You an have one. Please do.

But it's called Unisex. Not female.

Because - you have invited in both sexes.

How many people via these routes would meet the demand?

So male only, female only, and trans only. So you agree with us then.

And because of the visibility and rhetoric and publicity, some males feel emboldened to enter women's spaces, to humiliate and threaten women, just because they now can.
Social pressure kept them out before. Now they have licence.
Some men will take any opportunity they can to oppress women.

One thing the right is good at, is learning from their mistakes. I expect 2029 to be very different.

You can call it what you like as I already said. -sticks and stones and all that.
as long as you leave it alone and let us worry about who belongs there.
Thank you.

Yeah, I knew it wasn't actually devil's advocate...

There are very few things that humanity has managed to do with absolute 100% perfection since it began. Having only two sexes is actually one of the few things I can think of. I'm sure a few people have managed to slip through the net here and there, as with anything else.

But just as we don't get rid of speed limits entirely because we can't stop every last person from ever driving too fast, we don't abandon single sex spaces because we can't absolutely 100% ensure nobody ever slips in. And we sure as fuck don't make a mockery of it by pretending that women have penises so we can't actually keep anyone at all out and then pretend we are just morally looking out for butch or muscular women. We protect women as best we can and we don't demonise them for looking out for themselves.

Very very few people pass in real life anyway. Passing on social media is really something else. It's the rise of the insistence that Mike Tyson could become a woman tomorrow if he felt like it that has led to increased concern about who's in the space. As Janice Turner has said, it has also had detrimental effects on genuine trans people who previously lived in peace.

With regard to sports, it's a one time cheek swab. Very easy.

No.
there is no trans only space. I am not trans. I am in the space with trans women, and lots of other non trans women will be too.

Again the fact that you can’t accept this exposes your true motivations which is to ostracise trans people- nothing to do with protecting your personal boundaries.

Anyway I have made my point . See you all soon .

Jesus christ - what a lot of projections!!

"eliminate the inclusion and safety of trans women"

why are they not safe in mens spaces?

"erase them from society"

No - I just refuse to cal men women, a red pen a blue pen, or say there are five fucking lights - like everyone else here

" I'm just asking for one for me and for trans women - on OUR terms - just like you want yours on your terms"

No you are not, you are insisting on everyone accepting your view, the one that is based on feels , not facts, you are insisting on endangering women and girls by forcing them to share a space with a penis. You literally think women and girls being raped and abused is less important than the feels of some men in dresses.

Tell us why a unisex space is not acceptable for trans identified people and you to go in?

This is about males. Males and trans having their own spaces does not 'ostracise' them. Your true motive is to ostracise vulnerable women, send them back inside their homes and away from participating in society, to reinstate the Urinary Leash, and propel the patriarchy.

If you want so badly to have male bodies in your space, you can use the males. And leave us females alone.

You have only made one point - that mens feelings are more important to you than:

• women and girls being raped
• Women and girls not wanting to participate in sport
• women and girls being forced to ignore their instincts
• Facts

Why do you hate women so much that you want this to happen to them?

And managed to avoid loads and answer little to what has been put to you. Well done. 👏

Are you stupid?

So - yes or no - would you accept 3 changing room spaces
Male (trans inclusive)
Female (no males, no trans identified males)
Unisex (anyone inc. trans)

I would so, so love for the issue to be dropped.
But we can't drop it until it is settled.

I would be in favour of third-spaces (physical and metaphorical, like shortlists).
You can call the third space 'unisex', or 'everyone' or 'women and transwomen'. Whatever.
But most transwomen don't want a third space, because that is invalidating. Nothing but being in the female-only space will do.

And of course society doesn't have the money or will to re-build all those changing rooms and toilets.
So we fight to keep males out of the female spaces.

And can't drop it until we succeed.

again, @Tandora , tell me how this is wrong and why?

At what point do you draw the line.

Furries? Omnivorous versus carnivorous etc?

Serious question. Indulge me.

Every single person in the US could vote for Trump and I would still believe that I was right and they were wrong, based on his character, his criminal record and his policies.

Good for you.

Great, well done.

Must be nice perpetually agreeing with yourself.

Some people I think need to a bit of reading to learn about the history of leftism, and perhaps unions, and why immigration has always been an important issue for working class people.

Because I think some here are talking out of a pretty unconscious middle class bubble.

Ooh, and now perceived class-bias has been brought out to add to the mix….

Time to burnish my fake working class credentials.

One thing the right is good at, is learning from their mistakes.

😂

More lack of historical sense.

The idea that the left is supposed to be pro-globalism and pro porous borders is about 5 minutes old.

There's a pretty strong sense in this discussion, and in the public generally, that many people who think they are on the left have no idea about the foundations of leftist thought.

If they did they wouldn't be surprised that the working classes have abandoned the left as they've changed their policies away from those that protect WC people.

Will the Democrats learn from the clean sweep from Republicans they've just experienced?

Going by reasoning for why it happened it doesn't look likely