I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

"trans subjectivity"? WTF does that mean?

Tell me how it's not wearing a dress and calling yourself Sandra exactly?

To be honest I don’t really care how they feel

exactly. This is the issue. Thank you for acknowledging it

No - it's you putting the feels on men above the rights of women!!

You see what you have done. It's presented a very nice and reasonable discussion. To this debate, you have come across as reasonable. I actually don't think this particular poster is doing it in a good way. I think I don't actually think they've never been to the left.If you want my opinion.

The experience of being trans.

which is what exactly?

This is the divisive “us versus them” thinking that leads to the election of fascists

This has already been answered.

It’s like someone standing in front of me with a blue pen, insisting to me that it’s red and chastising me and calling me names because I won’t believe its red too, and you on their shoulder also insisting that I believe it’s red and if I don’t then I’m denying their existence, their reality, if they say it’s red it must be red blah blah.

It’s still, and will always be, a blue fucking pen.

Here here plus I am nos thinking this oister that stated was never to the left after claiming that about immigration etc

no it's not. If it is be specific and tell us how.

Mens feelings should not trump womens rights to be safe, dignified, to play sports on a level playing field.

You tell me how mens feelings are more important than those things? You clearly think they are

If someone who sees no separation between women and some men cannot answer where they would place a trans woman in a prison as below they know it's over yes? It's too hard to answer as they KNOW there is a separation.

So what next?

I think more will be lost due to the lack of ability to listen to women.

It's a convenient way to agitate the naturally intolerant/hard of thinking and get them on board the patriarchy train without them even realising.

Thank you . The first step is asking the question (with genuine curiosity - which requires an open mind) . The next is to seek out the information to answer that question. There is an absolute tonne of information on this that can help.

So you're not actually debating in good faith, are you? And I think it's pretty evident to people that have got a brain here and yes, i'm angry because you are wasting people's time pretending you on the left, then going doing speaking points that would be quite happy in a party like reform

Yeah. That’s it.

or we can be concerned about more than one thing at once? Maybe you move your lips when reading but the rest of us can handle multi tasking

no. Honestly if you too some time to type clearly, with less typos, more paragraphs and less stream of consciousness, you might make more sense.

It’s like someone standing in front of me with a blue pen, insisting to me that it’s red and chastising me and calling me names because I won’t

Nobody is asking you to say a blue pen is red.

All we are asking you do to is accept the reality of trans subjectivity and seek to understand it before you get angry and dismissive. You are assuming you know what it means - eg denying the material reality of the body- trans people understand the material reality of their bodies, they are very painfully aware of it- they are not asking you to pretend it’s other than what it is.

I suggest you go back and read more carefully, because nowhere did I say that sex is unimportant. It’s you who keeps insisting this, while you prioritise theory over fact.

Nowhere do I say that trans people are not people. And I will not stop talking about the pernicious effects of fashionable theories and what can only be described as woo-woo, relating as it does to tenets of faith and belief and not fact.

Tell me this, @Tandora: knowing as you do that allowing men to be treated as women and enter women’s safe spaces makes women and girls much less safe, that women in these situations are 14 times more likely to be attacked, why do you still insist on prioritising trans women over biological women? Why does biological women’s safety not matter to you?

@tandora is your work this field? ie it's your livelihood

I can see why you will be very wedded to this, but your non answer on the prison set up shows you see the issue.

So what next? We see the collapse of paid for services?

Perhaps people should have listened to women earlier.

"Nobody is asking you to say a blue pen is red."

Asking someone to say a man is a woman is exactly the same thing as the pen.

Males are male, females are female. there are only two sexes, nothing in between, you cannot change from one to another.

you can put on a dress and call yourself Sandra, go ahead. You are not female if you do so.

Can you see this argument? Even if you don't agree?

"they are not asking you to pretend it’s other than what it is."

They literally are though. Men in women's sport, being compelled to call the women, allowing them into women's changing spaces, this IS BEING ASKED TO PRETEND IT'S OTHER THAN IT IS

That’s just word salad.

Why don’t you answer if you think biological males should be able to take part in women’s
sports, be in women’s prisons, rape crisis shelters, changing rooms, provide intimate care to women…

Nobody is asking you to say a blue pen is red.All we are asking you do to is accept the reality of trans subjectivityThat is asking people to accept something blatantly false, like a man being a woman or a blue pen being red. You order people to accept subjectivity while refusing to accept reality. Refusing to even allow people a separate space in addition to yours that reflects reality. And refusing to answer any questions that expose the nonsense.Can't fix the fucked formatting, sorry.

I see, not only do trans people not have the right to exist according to you, but now religious people too are just 'wrong'.

I thought the left were supposed to be the intolerant ones shutting down differing views/beliefs?

Absolutely.