I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

“Gender identity” however is absolutely a theory.

OP’s (who I responded to) post above at 8.42am

@financialcareerstuff this is a long and well reasoned post which I need to return to later. Responding here so I don’t forget.

Yes. This is me too.

Plus the angry, virulent antisemitism on the left.

From your posts I take it you see no separation

Is there any situation where you would say no?

Eg a biological female sharing a prison cell with a trans woman who has committed a sex crime and has not had surgery?

Would you place those two people together?

Absolutely. You do not understand , acknowledge or accept trans experience. You are determined to dismiss and belittle it, hence your insistence that it is about “wearing a dress or calling yourself sanda.” As well as your insistence that it is a “belief” or an “ideology” rather than a simple reality of human diversity.

What they feel is real to them. Doesn’t make it fact. I feel like I am in my 20’s (I am not).

In your vast research that you said you do I suggest you look up the meaning of ‘ideology’.

Which was not me, the person to whom you replied and attributed the words. It's OK, I know facts, even when laid bare and proven, are not something you like to trouble yourself with.

But still, just for laffs, let's hear it. You don't know what a man is, you don't know what a woman is and you don't know what a gender identity is, but you know a man with a female gender identity is a woman. Come on, let's hear your explanation. How will you even use words?

No. I refuse to call them women - BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN

I really don’t think pp is suggesting all immigrants are bad.
Lessons are great, but there also needs to be a willingness to integrate into the host society (and I say that as an immigrant myself).
Because Sweden was mentioned in a previous post - I lived there for a while, and there were free language classes offered to all immigrants.
As I said, a great approach over all, but it didn’t prevent the issues in places like Malmö.

What they feel is the reality of what they feel. This is all you need to start with and accept. Then you need to listen and actually try to understand what it is they feel rather than just assuming you know and getting really angry and dismissive about it.

Men is a label- a word- that you insist on applying to them.

Wow that's like 2 and 2 makes 5 no you don't get it at all and now by your reply to me you was never in the left with that attitude you really wasn't and I am calling bullshit on your claim

Can only speak as i find... which is the right wing posters on MN are the ones that first resort to condescension and insults usually when they run out of argument....

Unfortunately, Tory supporters cannot get away from the simple fact that they have been in power for 14 years and every single thing in the UK is broken....... roads, public building, fire safety, social care, dentistry, AE, GP's, NHS waiting lists and most importantly they managed to do this whilst taking debt to GDP from 65% in 2010 to 100% in 2024!!! it was 88% in 2020....

They of course will shout about Covid and Ukraine... very true, these both had huge impacts on the UK but they had 10 years prior to either of these and everything was screwed in 2020 too.

They also gave us Brexit, now shown to be a disaster, have trebled migration to levels never before seen, record numbers not in work, record numbers off sick.

You ve failed utterly, which is why you lost soooo heavily in July, a defeat which may well see the end of the Tory party, as more and more moderate Tories turn to LDs and the ERG supporters to Reform.

Christians REALLY FEEL that Jesus speaks to them, that it's real and factual. Clearly it's still not true.

I am not denying what trans identified people feel - I am saying - that it's a FEELING not a FACT

And that you trying to FORCE me to say it is FACT is what has, effectively, got Trump elected.

It backfired on you and all trans identified people will suffer because of your over reach

Do you think it would be better if the radical social constructivists lived in a fully separate and independent state to people who believe words do refer to actual things?

I would like to give you an award for angry typing.

No men is a fact. if you produce small gametes, you are male. you are a man. you cannot change it. This is a fact as solid as water is wet.

It’s a factual description of their biological sex. It’s what they are.

If somebody chooses to assume a gender identity that’s different to their biological sex that’s their own choice. They have no right to insist that others prioritise this above the sex category they fall into biologically.

What they feel is the reality of what they feel. This is all you need to start with and accept.

Ok can you answer on how you would deal with a trans woman in a prison cell as I put below? No surgery, who committed a sex crime, would you place in the same cell with a woman?

Absolutely and I could never voted the right ever and all this bollix about leaving the left. If uou believe in equality for all and that includes fiscally to how can you write oh the left have left me as unions etc have always fought for the rights of people . There was a film showing back in the day how lgbt people marched in solidarity with the minors in Wales. Yes attitudes 2 minorities on a whole have got better. There is still a lot of issues but to say the left of left you. Where does that leave you? That means you are obviously going more to the right, and yeah, there is more then just the 2 issues that has just been cited to me. So that means you're happy to stay with people who are racist on a whole Who don't want to help other people in the state etc

It's a word meaning "adult human males".

As long as reality insists on existing, people will insist on using defined words to describe it, and you will insist on using Newspeak to try to make it impossible to express truth.

That is absolute b*, because yes, I will say that in my point. You are right, but I'm telling you, now, I know loads of people that don't rely on any benefit that will say, the same thing because our community has been decimated and actually destroyed, which is why a lot of the working class people are turning to.
Reform and conservative because they think, oh, look at them, they are going to help us. Because they're talking about immigration. When they don't realize it actually isn't as much of the immigration as the problem, but the lack of infrastructure in communities, particularly over the last fourteen years

No I don’t need to start with that and I or anyone else doesn’t have to accept it. As it’s not true. They. Are. Men. Transmen can take any issues up with men.

To be honest I don’t really care how they (men) feel, I wouldn’t want anyone to be unfairly treated. They just need to stay out of sex designated spaces and sports.

All you are being asked to do is accept the reality of trans subjectivity and try to understand it.

You are not doing either- you are becoming angry because you don’t understand it , and assuming you know what it means when you clearly don’t (eg “wearing a dress and calling yourself sandra”).

@tandora you are ignoring a question as it exposes your strong belief as false