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I think I've just been banned from seeing my grandchildren!

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TiredRetired · 10/11/2024 23:44

My parenting was different from the way my DIL is bringing up my two grandsons but that is not usually a problem. They are happy little boys.
Background; I had my 4 kids in the 1980s/1990s. I read the Continuum Concept and never looked back. We co-slept. Breastfed until natural weaning. Home educated second youngest until ready for school.
DIL was given lots of help by me to b'feed ( asked for) which she does diligently but not sure she really enjoys it. She sticks rigidly to meal & nap times which we have to come home for. I have always stuck up for her when other family members have rolled their eyes at this because they seem happy in the routine. I will occasionally get a lecture - for instance I once kept eldest out past meal time because we had stopped at a cafe. I texted not to worry about lunch but was told in no uncertain terms to come back immediately
I visited a few days ago in their new house they've just moved to. I was sleeping in the dormer bedroom opposite my 3 yr old grandson. He arrived in my room about midnight having undone his sleeping bag, climbed out of his cot and come through. It was cold in the rooms (corners often are) and his hands and feet were like ice. I know they don't like co-sleeping so I grabbed the duvet and took him downstairs to snuggle on the couch and warm him up. Just did not occur to me to put him back in his cot like that.
To cut a long story my son came through and said, I'll take him Mum. Suspected I'd done the wrong thing as he was quite short with me.
Got a lecture in the morning from DIL as though I was a small child myself and I'm afraid it went badly. After listening a bit I said "of course I'll do what you want in your house but my parenting was different to yours so it can be a bit difficult for me to know what to do here. I'm not 12 yrs old and I've brought up 4 kids. Can I not be the Grandma that's a bit different because after all, you're the biggest influence on them ( that's a precis of my side of it)
She was really angry and said she can't see how I can continue to visit and she doesn't know what else she has to do...
You get the picture?
I am heartbroken. Don't know at the moment now to fix this. I apologised and said of course in your house, your rules but there's something broken now

OP posts:
Mamabearsmile · 11/11/2024 19:11

Fact check, it was the middle of the night and she was awoken by her little grand son who was freezing. OP was half asleep her self, she warmed him up and let his parents sleep, presumably they needed that or they would have woken up to him. I think she's a hero. Everyone got extended sleep and that's OK. Hugely OK.

TempestTost · 11/11/2024 19:13

Scirocco · 11/11/2024 17:45

The OP mentioned how tired she was, so the potential to fall asleep on the sofa with child and duvet is still relevant. If there are anxieties about co-sleeping, then finding them dozing or snuggling on the sofa in the middle of the night could be upsetting because of that too. While a 3 yo isn't a tiny baby so risks are lessened, we don't know what other factors like relative sizes or previous issues/traumas might be present as well; eg if someone knows a case in which a young child died while co-sleeping on a couch, they may not want to even go near that situation themselves. How easy is it to wake up gran if she falls asleep on the child?

All kinds of things are possible, but it's not that likely.

What is likely is if she put her cold gs back in bed he would not have gone to sleep. Because he was cold. He'd have been up again.

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/11/2024 19:21

BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 19:09

Why the eye rolling?

Because I think the condemnatory nature of most of the comments is beyond belief.
I can’t (perhaps I’m an innocent) see what granny did wrong at all. I’m not a granny but my friends are and have to walk on eggshells.
small child, up in the night and chilly. I’d have done exactly the same.
Please no lectures. I realise not everyone is the same.

BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 19:26

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/11/2024 19:21

Because I think the condemnatory nature of most of the comments is beyond belief.
I can’t (perhaps I’m an innocent) see what granny did wrong at all. I’m not a granny but my friends are and have to walk on eggshells.
small child, up in the night and chilly. I’d have done exactly the same.
Please no lectures. I realise not everyone is the same.

I wouldn't dream of lecturing or indeed eye rolling. Yes we all do it in the way that suits us and our children best, and that includes the OP's DIL and son.

Sharptonguedwoman · 11/11/2024 19:28

BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 19:26

I wouldn't dream of lecturing or indeed eye rolling. Yes we all do it in the way that suits us and our children best, and that includes the OP's DIL and son.

I know but DS and DIL sound hard work - to me.

Cm19841 · 11/11/2024 19:28

I wish you had not made the comments about breastfeeding OP. It seems such a private matter that isn't your information to share, and has no relevance really to the dispute. Just intrusive really.

What does your DIL mean when she said "she doesn't know what else she has to do...""?

Your post suggests you follow the parents' requests but your instinct is to do things differently. I don't think you and your son and his wife are experiencing things the same way.

Bellyblueboy · 11/11/2024 19:32

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 17:58

In the majority of cases, it does involve relevant experience. Unless the kids were severely neglected.

In this case, the mother failed to protect them from an abusive father. Had limited ability to nurture, was cruel and a classic narcissistic.

I doubt anyone who knew how she parented would consider she had the relevant experience to dole out advice.

lots and lots of people parent - some well and some very badly. Having more children doesn’t make you better at it.

Cyb3rg4l · 11/11/2024 19:33

TempestTost · 11/11/2024 17:20

The real issues here seems to be not so much the rules, but the grandparent using her best judgement in a situation where the rule doesn't tell exactly tell her what to do.

Kids to bed on time in a cot alone is fine. Kid wakes up, he should go back to bed, fine.

But if the OP thinks he's colder than she is comfortable putting him back to bed? Is she supposed to ignore that instinct? Is she supposed to take a temperature or something? Or actually has to wake up others to tell her what to do? She knows they don't want him to come into an adults bed, but she still has to decide what to do.

I don't think she can reasonable just put him back to bed if she is worried about him, adults have to be able to follow their intuition on things like that. So it seems the only option is wake the parents because no one else can make a judgement where the rule isn't enough. But that's absolutely going to mean that no one can care for that child directly except the parents.

I mean extra blankets are a thing right? Back to bed with an extra blanket seems more logical and inline with the rules and commonsense than decamp downstairs for snuggles on the sofa. However lovely that might be for OP it’s really thumbing her nose at the parents imo. I can see why they were annoyed.

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 19:34

Bellyblueboy · 11/11/2024 19:32

In this case, the mother failed to protect them from an abusive father. Had limited ability to nurture, was cruel and a classic narcissistic.

I doubt anyone who knew how she parented would consider she had the relevant experience to dole out advice.

lots and lots of people parent - some well and some very badly. Having more children doesn’t make you better at it.

Sometimes people actually learn from getting things wrong too!

It stands to reason that the more children you have, the more experience of parenting individuals you have - it doesn't say anything about the quality.

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 19:35

Cyb3rg4l · 11/11/2024 19:33

I mean extra blankets are a thing right? Back to bed with an extra blanket seems more logical and inline with the rules and commonsense than decamp downstairs for snuggles on the sofa. However lovely that might be for OP it’s really thumbing her nose at the parents imo. I can see why they were annoyed.

They don't allow an extra blanket...

It would be quicker actually for them to list what they do allow, in fact.

Threetrees745 · 11/11/2024 19:38

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 19:35

They don't allow an extra blanket...

It would be quicker actually for them to list what they do allow, in fact.

I really doubt this is true. They probably object to an extra blanket for the new baby as per the safe sleep guidelines but OP has twisted their rules and give a faux "oh silly me" misunderstanding so she can do exactly what she wants.

DaughterOfSqualor · 11/11/2024 19:38

You sound like a loving, lovely granny! I do understand that if you're doing things so very differently to their way, they are going to be really pissed off with you. But poo tiny boy, 3 years old, awake at night, freezing feet - who wouldn't have given him a snuggle and got him warm again? I know my mum would.

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 19:54

Threetrees745 · 11/11/2024 19:38

I really doubt this is true. They probably object to an extra blanket for the new baby as per the safe sleep guidelines but OP has twisted their rules and give a faux "oh silly me" misunderstanding so she can do exactly what she wants.

Well we only have the OP's word for it but she did say that the 3 year old wasn't allowed an extra blanket...

You are literally making things up now.

TiredRetired · 11/11/2024 19:57

Puppyyikes · 11/11/2024 12:30

Why did you choose to visit when they’ve just moved into a new house and don’t even have a bed yet?

sounds stressful to me.

I had furniture for them we had been storing. The weekend was organised a while ago but there was a delay in them completing on the house so rather than 4 weeks after move day it was only 10 days

OP posts:
kittybiscuits · 11/11/2024 19:57

This is totally different to OP's situation and in no way is it okay to leave a really cold child to just be cold.

TrumptonsFireEngine · 11/11/2024 19:59

kittybiscuits · 11/11/2024 19:57

This is totally different to OP's situation and in no way is it okay to leave a really cold child to just be cold.

That is why you tuck them back into their sleeping bag.

ABirdsEyeView · 11/11/2024 20:05

I really hate how older women are expected to suppress their own personalities and experience to worship at the feet of rude dil's who act as gatekeepers to the children.
Seemingly the only value an older woman has is to tell the dil she's doing a fabulous job (whether true or not), anticipate the needs of dil and be on hand to supply meals, do the laundry, run around doing the grunt work so mum can do the fun stuff, be endlessly supporting with childcare as required but never overstep, apologise profusely even when she's done nothing more wrong than fail to anticipate some requirement of dil and he endlessly grateful for the opportunity to see her own gc. God forbid she does anything fun or without permission signed in triplicate. And even if she does all that, she'll still be in the wrong because some women are determined to interpret everything their lol does in the worst possible light.

Yes, sometimes in-laws (and parents) are annoying af! But we really have to move away from this idea that it's okay to cut people off who aren't abusive but are a bit opinionated or disagree with you!

Cyb3rg4l · 11/11/2024 20:11

letthemalldoone · 11/11/2024 19:35

They don't allow an extra blanket...

It would be quicker actually for them to list what they do allow, in fact.

if that’s the case then it’s wake the parents time.

LilacTurtle · 11/11/2024 20:12

ABirdsEyeView · 11/11/2024 20:05

I really hate how older women are expected to suppress their own personalities and experience to worship at the feet of rude dil's who act as gatekeepers to the children.
Seemingly the only value an older woman has is to tell the dil she's doing a fabulous job (whether true or not), anticipate the needs of dil and be on hand to supply meals, do the laundry, run around doing the grunt work so mum can do the fun stuff, be endlessly supporting with childcare as required but never overstep, apologise profusely even when she's done nothing more wrong than fail to anticipate some requirement of dil and he endlessly grateful for the opportunity to see her own gc. God forbid she does anything fun or without permission signed in triplicate. And even if she does all that, she'll still be in the wrong because some women are determined to interpret everything their lol does in the worst possible light.

Yes, sometimes in-laws (and parents) are annoying af! But we really have to move away from this idea that it's okay to cut people off who aren't abusive but are a bit opinionated or disagree with you!

Grandparents are free to disagree, but they don't get to undermine because of it. It's also fine to have an opinion but voicing it can be criticism, and who wants someone sticking their oar in all the time? I reduce the time spent with anyone who acts like that because it's exhausting.

Newsenmum · 11/11/2024 20:14

Mamabearsmile · 11/11/2024 19:11

Fact check, it was the middle of the night and she was awoken by her little grand son who was freezing. OP was half asleep her self, she warmed him up and let his parents sleep, presumably they needed that or they would have woken up to him. I think she's a hero. Everyone got extended sleep and that's OK. Hugely OK.

I’d love it if my MIL did this. And she would, as she’s lovely and nurturing. So I feel very grateful and hopefully she does too.

Cyb3rg4l · 11/11/2024 20:15

ABirdsEyeView · 11/11/2024 20:05

I really hate how older women are expected to suppress their own personalities and experience to worship at the feet of rude dil's who act as gatekeepers to the children.
Seemingly the only value an older woman has is to tell the dil she's doing a fabulous job (whether true or not), anticipate the needs of dil and be on hand to supply meals, do the laundry, run around doing the grunt work so mum can do the fun stuff, be endlessly supporting with childcare as required but never overstep, apologise profusely even when she's done nothing more wrong than fail to anticipate some requirement of dil and he endlessly grateful for the opportunity to see her own gc. God forbid she does anything fun or without permission signed in triplicate. And even if she does all that, she'll still be in the wrong because some women are determined to interpret everything their lol does in the worst possible light.

Yes, sometimes in-laws (and parents) are annoying af! But we really have to move away from this idea that it's okay to cut people off who aren't abusive but are a bit opinionated or disagree with you!

DILs who act as gatekeepers to their children
you mean mothers acting as parents to their children?
where did OP mention being relegated into domestic servitude by her daughter in law? She’s been given some parental rules she doesn’t agree with but is being asked to follow. That’s it.

ABirdsEyeView · 11/11/2024 20:17

I wouldn't apologise any more OP. You did a decent thing in trying to help and comfort your dgc and let your knackered son and dil sleep. You've been storing their furniture, visited to drop it off (instead of asking them to collect it). I wouldn't tolerate a telling off from her either!

She clearly asked for advice in the past (re bf) - she doesn't get to dictate when you're allowed to have a pov and when not. And clearly son and dil are happy to accept practical help such as storing furniture. I don't believe it is reasonable for them to expect help solely on their terms. You take the rough with the smooth in families - if they don't want to accept you as you are, they've no business accepting favours when it suits them.

BellissimoGecko · 11/11/2024 20:19

RosieLeaf · 10/11/2024 23:47

Co—sleeping is still co-sleeping on a couch. I think yabu. You sound a bit over-involved.

But the kid is 3!! He managed to get out of his cot and come to see Gran. He's not a newborn...

minipie · 11/11/2024 20:19

Cyb3rg4l · 11/11/2024 20:15

DILs who act as gatekeepers to their children
you mean mothers acting as parents to their children?
where did OP mention being relegated into domestic servitude by her daughter in law? She’s been given some parental rules she doesn’t agree with but is being asked to follow. That’s it.

Actually the original quote said gatekeepers to “the” children rather than “their” children!

Like the DC are some sort of communal resource which these unreasonable DIL are hoarding.

BlossomOfOrange · 11/11/2024 20:20

Twototwo15 · 11/11/2024 15:33

Your DIL sounds a bit rigid and uptight about rules. I was a bit like that and now realise I was getting hung up on silly things that didn’t matter if they weren’t done in a certain way all the time. I think it was because I was quite stressed and overwhelmed at the time and it somehow made me feel a bit more in control of things. Although I don’t know what the answer is as suggesting that to her will probably annoy her more. Probably just go along with exactly how she does things at her house and do things your way when you get your grandkids on your own. Hopefully she will become less rigid eventually.

The same can be said about the OP, (the first three sentences) albeit possibly without the stress and overwhelm etc as the cause.

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