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traditional vs modern names

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TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 02:37

I am a fan of modern unisex names but DH likes more conventional names. We are expecting a baby girl. He wants to call her Charlotte Felicity as it sounds cute and means "free and happy" together. I love the meaning but seems a bit too traditional to me and too girly. His other options are Annette, Grace, and Jasmine, all of which are not my taste. Names I like would be like Riley or Lulu and I love the idea of a middle name like Hope and Peace but we have a one syllable surname so might not flow well.

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MrsToothyBitch · 10/11/2024 11:50

I'd stick to Charlotte and Felicity, both are v pretty and see if you can add Hope as a second middle name if you're both inclined, it goes best. Your Dd will belong to both of you so I think that's fair. You've also got time to pick something else entirely. By the time your Dd arrives in February she could be a Grace Elizabeth.

Lulu as a nick name for Charlotte isn't too out there imo as brits tend to say the "lot" with a "lut" sound but it is a more natural fit for Louise, Louisa or Eloise. Would you consider using these or are you ok if people assume they're her full name? Nicknames also often develop organically. Different Charlottes I know go by Lottie, Char, Cha Cha, Charlie and one goes by her surname - Jonesy for Jones.

You can experiment with the order to find something. I think my name tastes run more towards that of your husband and that's all I will say about that although I like Hope. I think Charlotte Felicity Hope could be a nice option.

I'd really avoid Pearlie. Use Pearl if you must and call her Pearlie yourself if it suits her when she's here. I don't think you'll be kindly judged for Pearlie and it would be the easiest to grow out of or not suit, out of all the names you've picked. "Pearlie Hope" sounds like an east end charity appeal.

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 11:56

honeylulu · 10/11/2024 11:35

Charlotte Felicity Hope. Lulu as a nickname. She then has lots of options and both your preferences are accommodated.

If you think Lulu short for Charlotte is a stretch, Lulu can also be short for Lucinda, Lucy, Lucia, Louisa, Eloise ... Please don't give Lulu as a formal name, it sounds like you couldn't be bothered.

Don't fuck with the spelling. I know a Sharlotte and it's been the bane of her life constantly correcting and explaining the spelling.

Riley is too blokey. Makes me think of a builder with his arse crack showing.

Pearlie is just silly. Unless perhaps you have true cockney heritage and want to pay homage to your Pearly King and Queen ancestors.

I will save Riley is we have a boy later. Maybe Charlotte Hope Felicity.

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AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:06

There was a similar thread recently asking about Pearly as a name. My feeling is that because it’s an adjective, it sort of invites additions designed to tease (and which could then become the nickname- eg ‘pearlie whites’ and she becomes known as Whites or Teeth or something. Or Queen!

I also suggest thinking about the person you’re making here- some names are diminutive which create more intimacy, whereas in some contexts gravitas is preferable. Archie is a good example- call him Archibald and he could be Archie to family and as a little boy, but Archibald at work. But give the name Archie and he has nowhere else to go.

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 12:08

AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:06

There was a similar thread recently asking about Pearly as a name. My feeling is that because it’s an adjective, it sort of invites additions designed to tease (and which could then become the nickname- eg ‘pearlie whites’ and she becomes known as Whites or Teeth or something. Or Queen!

I also suggest thinking about the person you’re making here- some names are diminutive which create more intimacy, whereas in some contexts gravitas is preferable. Archie is a good example- call him Archibald and he could be Archie to family and as a little boy, but Archibald at work. But give the name Archie and he has nowhere else to go.

Isn't the little Prince Archie as well though?

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SnowFrogJelly · 10/11/2024 12:09

Riley is a boys name..

Compromise with Charlotte Lulu

SnowFrogJelly · 10/11/2024 12:10

I am thinking of making Charlotte Charlutte

Noooooooooo

AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:11

As a teacher I would also add that some names do invite preconceptions, unfortunately. When I started in the classroom, Liam, Tyler, and Connor were popular names and they had very negative connotations because of how many kids named that were poorly behaved. Courtney and Casey also (for boys and girls). While that is an example of prejudice, it is a thing and may be unconscious bias. May also mean the child gets lumbered with expectations. ‘Karen’ for example. Or on Twitter there is a poster called Crimegirl (who’s a barrister) whose stories feature characters all called Liam.

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 12:13

AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:11

As a teacher I would also add that some names do invite preconceptions, unfortunately. When I started in the classroom, Liam, Tyler, and Connor were popular names and they had very negative connotations because of how many kids named that were poorly behaved. Courtney and Casey also (for boys and girls). While that is an example of prejudice, it is a thing and may be unconscious bias. May also mean the child gets lumbered with expectations. ‘Karen’ for example. Or on Twitter there is a poster called Crimegirl (who’s a barrister) whose stories feature characters all called Liam.

I actually love the name Casey!

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poetryandwine · 10/11/2024 12:14

Yes, OP, Harry and Meghan’s DS is Archie and their DD is Lilibet or Lillibet. But I daresay these DGC of the monarch have certain advantages in life that you, like most of us, cannot offer. Also they live in America, which is less judgmental.

I don’t think I’m hugely judgy but having lived in America for a while myself, I must confess that Pearlie sounds like a hillbilly name to me. Pearl is okay.

AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:17

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 12:08

Isn't the little Prince Archie as well though?

Yeah, lots of people do give diminutives, I was explaining why I personally wouldn’t.

AlertCat · 10/11/2024 12:17

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 12:13

I actually love the name Casey!

Trendy names are often the ones which pick up connotations, I think. The names themselves aren’t the issue.

Calliopespa · 10/11/2024 12:37

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 11:56

I will save Riley is we have a boy later. Maybe Charlotte Hope Felicity.

That’s really pretty. And I don’t think Lulu is too out there as a NN. I know two- one started out as Lottie-Lou! Then Lulu grew from that!

Gman0206 · 10/11/2024 12:51

DaylightTreachery · 10/11/2024 10:23

Respectfully, that’s something going on with you, I spent 25 years living in the UK as an adult with a name that is unfamiliar and unpronounceable to British people unless they hear it said, and it was never particularly bothersome, other than pronouncing it for people I met for the first time, or spelling it over the phone. It never prevented me ‘giving a confident first impression’, or made me flustered, and we gave our UK-born DS a name from our home culture, too. And we’re unexpectedly currently living in our home country again after many years.

People move around. Calling your child Emma or George is no guarantee they won’t be living on the other side of the world and pronouncing it for colleagues to whom it’s an unfamiliar cluster of sounds.

OP, you and DH just have to keep going until you find common ground between your different tastes. Write a list of everything you would consider from a baby name look or the naming stats for last year and get him to do the same.

Good for you hun.

FleasAndKeef · 10/11/2024 13:11

What about Sylvie?
Olivia also could shorten to Lulu

MumoftwoGranofone · 10/11/2024 14:40

Perhaps go with a more traditional name with a standard spelling for the first name followed by the less traditional name(s). That’s what many of the parents I know have chosen to do. However, I do think that people get used to babies names quickly. What might seem like an unusual name when you first hear it soon becomes accepted as that child’s name.

Plastictrees · 10/11/2024 15:06

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 02:52

I am thinking of making Charlotte Charlutte with the nickname Lulu? I also like Charlotte Hope but he is pretty set on Felicity.

This is awful. I strongly advise against this spelling.

Mipil · 10/11/2024 15:27

If you like Felicity and Fliss, and your DH is set on Felicity, isn’t the obvious and best compromise using Felicity as a first name?

Ytcsghisn · 10/11/2024 15:29

Riley?

You might as well go the full distance, call her Jayden, Levi or Chardonnay or something.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/11/2024 16:20

FleasAndKeef · 10/11/2024 13:11

What about Sylvie?
Olivia also could shorten to Lulu

Sylvie is lovely.

MilkshakeMania · 10/11/2024 16:25

My daughter is Charlotte Louise and often gets Lottie-Lou and LuLu as nicknames.

Mipil · 10/11/2024 16:46

MilkshakeMania · 10/11/2024 16:25

My daughter is Charlotte Louise and often gets Lottie-Lou and LuLu as nicknames.

Lottie-Lou is adorable, @MilkshakeMania and Charlotte Louise is a beautiful, classic name for when she grows up.

Mimi and Gigi are also cute diminutives, if you like Lulu, OP. Do you and your DH like any of the classic names they are short for as a compromise that suits both your tastes eg Georgina, Georgette, Miriam, Emilia, Amelia, Naomi, Amelie, Miranda, Mireille etc?

Blossomingx · 10/11/2024 17:04

Felicity Hope
Charlotte Hope with Charlie as a nickname

Please not Pearlie, she's going to be stuck with it for a lifetime and may not appreciate it.

whosaidtha · 10/11/2024 17:13

Your child will be an adult for most of their life. Would you like to be a 40year old woman called Pearlie?

Plastictrees · 10/11/2024 17:14

whosaidtha · 10/11/2024 17:13

Your child will be an adult for most of their life. Would you like to be a 40year old woman called Pearlie?

Pearlie just sounds like Purley in Croydon. I hope the OP doesn’t live near there!

x2boys · 10/11/2024 17:24

TheLoyalWriter · 10/11/2024 09:00

Whats wrong with Pearlie?

Pearl Is fine
Pearlie, just no as a pp said it sounds like Pearlie/y King and Queens

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