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Grandparents treating dc and step dc differently

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Gottoshare · 09/11/2024 12:15

And my ‘rebalancing’ of things has been discovered 😬

We have 2 dc and dh has 2 dc from a previous relationship. Everyone gets on well, I adore his dc they are lovely kids.

Every Christmas my parents give money for my 2 dc, bags of sweets and chocolate selection boxes and a big Christmas Eve box. 2 of everything- plus big bags of sweets . There have been a few heated conversations (not when dc are there) and I’ve made it clear ALL dc are there 23/24 dec each year and it’s unfair to treat them differently. It’s been going on for 5 years. Dh dc are teenagers now and last year my parents were saying ‘well they are older why are you still going on about this they don’t believe etc etc’ . SC are so lovely to their little brothers and really keep up the magic of Xmas and they really make it amazing for them. My parents are so off about it.

Anyway what I’ve been doing is splitting the money between 4 not 2 and adding to the Xmas eve box so that it’s for 4 children not 2. So it’s been fine and the label says from granny and grandpa and it’s just for everyone . Well we saw them last weekend and one of SC was exclaiming how much they love the Xmas eve box and talking about all the nice things in it each year and I could see my parents faces. They were furious. They called me afterwards and said never to do it again or they will stop so I said ‘fine then - stop. You wouldn’t treat them fairly so I did’ I think they honestly expected them to sit and watch and miss out on the box ???

Today they’ve said they want my dc dropped to them Xmas eve morning they’ll do the Xmas eve box / activities / film / hot choc with them . They have GrAndpaRents RigHts now dont you know 🤬🤬🤬🤬

AIBU if I just tell them to get lost. It’s really annoyed me

OP posts:
Rm2018 · 10/11/2024 18:38

You sound so lovely I don't understand how you came from your awful cruel parents! I think you've done a lovely thing

another1bitestheduck · 10/11/2024 18:38

auderesperare · 10/11/2024 18:24

I think a lot of people are missing the point here, OP. It is a gift. A gift is freely given without strings. Once they have given the gift the donors don’t get a say. The gift is given to the children via the parents. The parents decide on behalf of the children, who are too young to make the decision themselves, what happens to the gift.
The mother has decided to add to the gift so that the DSC do not miss out. The only shared element are the sweets (which are normally shared items. Nobody wants to see a child hoard sweets for themselves when they are usually passed around) and cash for a Christmas activity.
Ethically, the cash is a little more tricky but ultimately, the parents are right to decide what to do with it if the kids are very young. OP has decided to use the money for all the children knowing the two younger children benefit more from having their older siblings included. This is a value judgement she has every right to make.
OP could argue that if she asked the two younger ones, they would prefer to see their siblings included. They are being brought up in an inclusive household and they are not selfish kids.
So the two issues are the money ( which I think is easily justified) and the fact that the box is deemed to be from the grandparents when the grandparents deliberately want to exclude DSC.
OP could get round any issue by saying that the box is from DGPs and DPs (this is the truth as she adds to it). However, the more salient point is once the gift is given the DGPs don’t get to dictate. If they included a dangerous or inappropriate toy in the box, the OP would be perfectly within her rights to confiscate it as she has parental responsibility. The OP is bringing her children up to be loving, selfless and inclusive. She has made her views clear to the DGPs. Nobody else gets to overturn this approach to child rearing, and certainly not by divisive gifting.
OP, it’s rubbish that you are experiencing this at Christmas. You are right to stand your ground. This is not about a Christmas box or money. It’s about undermining your approach to child-rearing and that is unforgivable.

You're completely wrong though. If a gift is given with conditions of course the donors get a say. Again, if you give £100 to cancer research you might accept that you don't get to choose whether it's spent on paying staff or TV adverts or whatever, or whether it goes to breast cancer or bowel cancer. But presumably you wouldn't be happy if half of it was then donated to a completely different charity, e.g. the 'Jimmy Saville memorial fund' or Westboro baptist church, because once you've given the gift it's up to the recipient what it's spent on?

If the grandparents just gave OP £100 and didn't say anything about how to spend it, then that would be a gift "freely given without strings". Giving her £100 "to spend on Christmas presents or a Christmas outing for our grandchildren" means that (and only that) is what it should be spent on.

Would you be saying the same if OP had spent a fiver on her kids and the rest on wine for her and her DP? Or given the other £90 to charity?

It doesn't matter than it was a nice thing to spend the money on, it was given for a specific purpose so it is completely morally wrong (and technically illegal) to spend it on something else, and even worse to lie about it for six years!

Julimia · 10/11/2024 18:38

Of course they do but surely it's [about the message and the acceptance that they are one family there.?

Coco2024 · 10/11/2024 18:39

Firstly you are wonderful to make sure that all children are treated fairly. Nothing worse than watching children feel disappointed and their little hearts be disappointed because your parents have missed the understanding of Xmas 🤦🏻‍♀️
What you’ve tried to do by splitting the money and box seems really fair, they don’t really have a say in what you do with your gifts once they’re recieved. This seems so unreasonable and controlling.

kkloo · 10/11/2024 18:39

BalletCat · 09/11/2024 23:25

I find this quite dramatic. I have half siblings. Some of our relatives are shared and they treat us the same. Some of their relatives are not my relatives and some of my relatives are not their relatives. I would never expect their relatives, people who are not related to me to give me gifts or money and I wouldn't expect my relatives to give them gifts or money and get shitty with them if they didn't. We don't have a fraught relationship or any self esteem issues because of it, we're all just normal adults that live eachother.

I'd say the grandparents reaction is dramatic. Imagine being that furious just because you thought your grandchildren shared their treats with their siblings. It's fucking weird!

Alexaremovethenotifications · 10/11/2024 18:41

Youve done this with the best of intentions and they’re lovely for saying thank you. It’s sad that your parents aren’t interested.

its nice to see such a positive post from a step parent on mumsnet. Go you!

Wooky073 · 10/11/2024 18:41

Thats a difficult situation. I can understand totally why you did what you did.
I can also understand the grandparents viewpoint, which is quite old fashioned but also fairly normal for that generation. I think it probably is time for their xmas eve box to stop as it would cause problems in your blended family unit. I wouldnt agree to just their grandkids going to just their grandparents if this isnt what works for your family. A new solution is needed. Maybe you take over the xmas eve box tradition then you can put into it whatever you want. You could also make it a secret santa xmas eve box. You can invite your grandparents to add gifts to it which are just to their grandkids if you like, and any other family members as appropriate, and as before you top up the others as you were doing as needed, so everyone gets a gift and they are all from santa :) Santa saves the day. It could save a lot of tension. This means your parents are only getting gifts for their grandkids. If your parents wont accept that solution then it would seem that they want to hurt the other kids which is another situation entirely.

OneJollyPlayer · 10/11/2024 18:41

helgel · 09/11/2024 23:28

You think you've seen the worst of human nature, then you read this thread.

Dear me there are some heartless people about. I'm really shocked by some of these posts, just horrible.

Thank goodness the children have you OP.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Imagine justifying leaving SC out of a group Christmas event for a few measly quid. How knowing that leaving them out in this way would spoil the experience of your own 'blood' GC but you would still do it?
And then posters agreeing that this is a reasonable course of action?
I'm amazed!

thepariscrimefiles · 10/11/2024 18:44

another1bitestheduck · 10/11/2024 18:30

haha possibly the most begrudging 'yes actually you are right' I've ever seen!

I don't think it's the right way to view children, I said quite specifically it would be nice if the grandparents treated all the DC the same, as step DC are treated in my family. But out of the two, the GP were a bit uncaring, OP stole and lied.
Not being a nice person isn't illegal, stealing is!

"Sorry guv I took £50 from the charity tin because I thought the donkeys deserved it more" might come from a good place but wouldn't stand up in court!

OP hasn't stolen the money. It was given for a family outing and that is what it was spent on. The step children are family.

I wonder whether OP's parents would have kicked up such a fuss if OP had invited a couple of her children's friends on the outing. They seem to have an almost visceral dislike of OP's step-children and actively look for opportunities to demonstrate the difference in treatment of the two sets of children.

laraitopbanana · 10/11/2024 18:45

Xmas eve morning? not a chance.

If they want to be unfair, then they can wait the magic of Xmas has passed or not begun. 2 weeks prior or 2 weeks after.

Let’s see if they like to be given a lesser box/no box.

OldScribbler · 10/11/2024 18:48

Gottoshare · 09/11/2024 12:15

And my ‘rebalancing’ of things has been discovered 😬

We have 2 dc and dh has 2 dc from a previous relationship. Everyone gets on well, I adore his dc they are lovely kids.

Every Christmas my parents give money for my 2 dc, bags of sweets and chocolate selection boxes and a big Christmas Eve box. 2 of everything- plus big bags of sweets . There have been a few heated conversations (not when dc are there) and I’ve made it clear ALL dc are there 23/24 dec each year and it’s unfair to treat them differently. It’s been going on for 5 years. Dh dc are teenagers now and last year my parents were saying ‘well they are older why are you still going on about this they don’t believe etc etc’ . SC are so lovely to their little brothers and really keep up the magic of Xmas and they really make it amazing for them. My parents are so off about it.

Anyway what I’ve been doing is splitting the money between 4 not 2 and adding to the Xmas eve box so that it’s for 4 children not 2. So it’s been fine and the label says from granny and grandpa and it’s just for everyone . Well we saw them last weekend and one of SC was exclaiming how much they love the Xmas eve box and talking about all the nice things in it each year and I could see my parents faces. They were furious. They called me afterwards and said never to do it again or they will stop so I said ‘fine then - stop. You wouldn’t treat them fairly so I did’ I think they honestly expected them to sit and watch and miss out on the box ???

Today they’ve said they want my dc dropped to them Xmas eve morning they’ll do the Xmas eve box / activities / film / hot choc with them . They have GrAndpaRents RigHts now dont you know 🤬🤬🤬🤬

AIBU if I just tell them to get lost. It’s really annoyed me

THee is a linguistic plague going on herer. What does "2 dc, dh and 2 dc" mean in English?

evtheria · 10/11/2024 18:51

I'm also impressed you actually did it. I totally understand why you did, and as they clearly just do not consider your SC as important as their bio-gc I can see why they're in a right huff...

But they are also seriously disrespecting you, their daughter, by blatantly treating the kids you clearly care very much about that way.

another1bitestheduck · 10/11/2024 18:52

OldScribbler · 10/11/2024 18:48

THee is a linguistic plague going on herer. What does "2 dc, dh and 2 dc" mean in English?

....are you new here?

Slight irony complaining about linguistics when I assume you meant "there is..."?

Surely it's pretty evident what it means for the context, but to spell it out "we (poster and her husband) have two children together, my husband also has two older children from a previous relationship (i.e. her step children, her children's half-siblings).

evtheria · 10/11/2024 18:53

@OldScribbler
Two of *our children, husband with two of his children

Ilovechocolatelimesandsherbertlemons · 10/11/2024 18:53

You sound a lovely person. We have a step grandchild and have always treated them the same as our others. Wouldn't have dreamed of treating them differently, even to driving lessons etc. we love them as our own and are still close.

Yogamaya · 10/11/2024 18:58

Balletcat you are made of stone. The 4 people concerned in this dispicable behavour that needs covering up are children. The SC are lovely humans who care for their younger siblings.
Step and blood are bollocks.
Grandparents should support their emotionally highly intelligent daughter.
OP I'm a chartered psychologist helping thousands in my lifetime and your behaviour is right on every level.

FTMum23 · 10/11/2024 19:01

Gottoshare · 09/11/2024 12:33

Last year SC sat up with my eldest Ds (he’s 6 and has ASD) he couldn’t sleep as was overexcited and overstimulated and they heard him crying and they said he could sit with them they’d look out the window as they have the big loft room to try and see Santa then he could go to bed when he felt tired. One of them came down rushing about trying to find something jingly to make sleigh bell noises. They are 13 and 15 and they are just absolutely lovely

Can I just say that your SC sound like amazing little souls! You also sound like an amazing StepMum to them! On behalf of your children and step children, thank you!

CherryCake88 · 10/11/2024 19:01

As a step daughter of a man who made it clear how much he despised me and told me often - this really hurt me to read.

I totally understand why you’d do what you have and I can’t understand why they’d want leave them out, especially when they’re so lovely to your biological children.

I can see the side that the grandparents might spend more on their own grandchildren - I always accepted and understood that. It never really bothered me. But to leave them out of Christmas Eve boxes even after seeing how happy it made them - what psychopaths! Even if I saw how happy it made a stranger I’d want to do it again for them, I wouldn’t feel furious???

Thanks for being a wonderful stepparent and loving your blended family. I wish I had that when I was a kid 🤍🤍

CherryCake88 · 10/11/2024 19:07

Gottoshare · 09/11/2024 22:05

I didn’t take anything - I shared the sweets and treats between 4 not 2 and I added things eg there were 2 hot chocolate/xmas mug sets so i got another 2, 2 pairs of xmas pjs in younger dc sizes so I got ones in SC sizes too, some activity things so I got a couple of suitable ones for SC . As far as the money gift is concerned yes I did split that between 4 not 2 as well we usually put it towards an outing (eg a Christmas light trail or something) that all the dc come to and treats whilst there . I’m not having 2 children left out it’s not acceptable to me to do that. My parents know the situation and they actively choose each year to drop off a box with only enough stuff in for 2 of the 4 dc that will be here. It’s not ok. I know some people might think perhaps I should have been upfront and honest with SC but I couldn’t do that to them they need to feel accepted I wanted to protect them from yet more rejection in their life as they’ve had a tough time and they need stability and to feel valued.

You are a lovely person 💐

Mymothersfavouritegirl · 10/11/2024 19:08

I feel your pain and annoyance in this situation OP and YANBU as I would have done the same. There are 4 of us and from those 4 children 3 are blended families, my mother is like your parents and quite vocal about “well they’re not my family or anything to do with me” the awfulness is deafening. My mantra is just be kind, treat people the way you wish to be treated, it’s such a spiteful way for grandparents/step grandparents to act and isn’t good role modelling. I could not have my children interacting with anyone who treated children in this way. Your parents must be very sad.

GoodEnough1 · 10/11/2024 19:16

Your parents should respect how you wish to raise your blended family. YANBU.

Whyamiherenow · 10/11/2024 19:16

I don’t understand your parents. I don’t think you’re being unreasonable at all with the Christmas Eve box. It’s really important to make things right and equal and fun for all. In terms of the money, there aren’t a lot of family days out for £100 for four never mind six so I’m sure you’re adding money to this. It’s lovely the children can enjoy a day out together despite the age difference.

we have ds who is 2 and DH has dsd who is 11. Thankfully my family treat her pretty much the same as ds. The small exception is my parents give them both pocket money for their savings each month (the children don’t know) and dsd gets 4/5 of the money of ds. However, her mum does save for her as do we so I don’t feel she is disadvantaged.

In terms of Christmas and birthdays, she gets the same from my parents and my aunts, my brother and my cousins. The same as ds does. My aunt (and my great aunt when she was alive) always gives us money for a family day trip and we get great fun from planning it as a family with dsd.

Its human kindness to treat children well.

Jack80 · 10/11/2024 19:22

I get your point but like others have said if you wanted them to have a Christmas eve box you could have made them one. They said they don't care about your step children. I would of even just taken the label off the boxes and given them as a box from you. You could give your dc the gifts of grandparents when the step children aren't there. I wouldn't take my children to grandparents with that attitude of demanding.

Maria1979 · 10/11/2024 19:23

another1bitestheduck · 10/11/2024 18:30

haha possibly the most begrudging 'yes actually you are right' I've ever seen!

I don't think it's the right way to view children, I said quite specifically it would be nice if the grandparents treated all the DC the same, as step DC are treated in my family. But out of the two, the GP were a bit uncaring, OP stole and lied.
Not being a nice person isn't illegal, stealing is!

"Sorry guv I took £50 from the charity tin because I thought the donkeys deserved it more" might come from a good place but wouldn't stand up in court!

We are talking about children here. I am sure that if you donated 100 £ for starving children in Ethiopia and you found out that 50£ had actually gone to starving children in Nigeria you would be livid wouldn't you?🙄

croydon15 · 10/11/2024 19:25

You are wonderful OP and l only wish that all stepchildren would have such caring stepmother. Have a lovely Xmas.

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