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Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

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Waitingforfriday75 · 09/11/2024 07:35

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/iraq-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine/

Posted here as it gets the most traffic. This is by far the worst news I’ve heard all year. Imagine at the age you were meant to start secondary school instead being forced to marry and have sex with an older man. Completely disgusting!!!

Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

A new law proposed by ultra conservative Shia Muslim parties seeks to strip women and girls of their rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/iraq-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine

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Ilikeblacklabsandicannotlie · 09/11/2024 09:33

@wrongthinker Here's a report on the extent child marriage in that well known Muslim country, the USA.
US child marriage

lasagnelle · 09/11/2024 09:34

LurkingFromTheShadows · 09/11/2024 09:33

Age of "consent" = you can rape little girls so long as they're 9 and be protected by the law.

Fucking disgusting.

It's treating girls like property. It should be an international war crime

Brananan · 09/11/2024 09:37

Do we have Americans moving to this country and treating 10 year old girls in this way? I doubt it. However, we have a lot of issues with Muslim men and sexual abuse of girls in the UK - see Rochdale.

Anywherebuthere · 09/11/2024 09:38

Dreamerinme · 09/11/2024 07:55

It’s unbelievable in the 21st century that there are nations who are so utterly backwards and disgusting in their treatment of women and girls.

What kind of man in Iraq wants a 9yo wife? If he later has daughters and loves them does he actually think I know what, let’s marry my beloved DD off to another man/DH and let him subject her to rape and DV because the law says I can. What a horrific mentality to have and perpetuate in law.

Sadly the men who do this have such a warped ingrained mindset that they will happily marry off/sell their daughters to suffer the same too.

They don't see them as human with rights and feelings.

Nothatgingerpirate · 09/11/2024 09:38

Men.

SallyWD · 09/11/2024 09:41

Ilikeblacklabsandicannotlie · 09/11/2024 09:33

@wrongthinker Here's a report on the extent child marriage in that well known Muslim country, the USA.
US child marriage

Exactly. People always highlight what happens in Muslim countries but turn a blind eye to the rest of the world. My DH's Indian grandma (Hindu) was married at 13. You wouldn't believe the things I read about the lives of girls and women in some South American countries (Christian). Basically, women and girls suffer all over the world. We're lucky that it shocks us because to many, it's just seen as normal, their reality.
Marriage at 9 is horrific, and I truly hope this change in law isn't approved.

MsNeis · 09/11/2024 09:41

Horrible news...
Hell on Earth.

saynotofondant · 09/11/2024 09:49

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I was surprised to read about this law so Googled to find out more but couldn’t find anything. Can you share a link?

miraxxx · 09/11/2024 09:53

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 09/11/2024 07:47

70% of those killed in Gaza by Israel are women and children. Better off dead yeah?

Must change the subject at all costs to them jews!

Radamanth · 09/11/2024 09:54

saynotofondant · 09/11/2024 09:49

I was surprised to read about this law so Googled to find out more but couldn’t find anything. Can you share a link?

I doubt a link will be found to support this claim...

Re Christianity, I was brought up as a Catholic and educated at convent school but opted out of Catholicism as soon as I was able (at 12, I chose not to be confirmed), because the teachings of the church around woman didn't sit easily with me, even at a young age.

I could opt out though. I think that's important to note.

Cakeandcardio · 09/11/2024 09:55

So utterly vile that I had to work up to opening this thread. I feel sick. It's always fucking men.

Scirocco · 09/11/2024 09:55

I had initially hoped that people might be interested in trying to get involved in helping the organisations challenging this bill.

Child marriage existed in the past and still exists today. The reality is that there is no need for it in the modern world. The men in the modern world who want to marry children, want that for one reason, really. Because they want to exercise a deviant and abusive interest in children and not get in trouble for it.

Rather than using this as another "Islam bad, everyone else good", when this is a global, cross-cultural issue, please consider supporting one of the multiple organisations acting to prevent this and other similar assaults on the rights of women and girls.

miraxxx · 09/11/2024 09:57

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itsjustbiology · 09/11/2024 09:58

I think this is just awful in the 21st century anywhere. There are many decent people of the muslim faith I guess who would be better placed than us to voice their distaste. They should be the driver for the change that is so desperately needed to protect their children.

EarthSight · 09/11/2024 09:59

MissyB1 · 09/11/2024 07:56

Oi! Don't bring your racism into this! Plenty of Muslims do not support Sharia law anyway. Do not lump all Muslims together and judge them on what Iraq are doing, you make yourself sound like a racist idiot.

Nope. You're not allowed to silence other people by saying the word RACISM every time you don't like someone's opinion. Manipulative bullshit.

Brananan · 09/11/2024 10:01

Scirocco · 09/11/2024 09:55

I had initially hoped that people might be interested in trying to get involved in helping the organisations challenging this bill.

Child marriage existed in the past and still exists today. The reality is that there is no need for it in the modern world. The men in the modern world who want to marry children, want that for one reason, really. Because they want to exercise a deviant and abusive interest in children and not get in trouble for it.

Rather than using this as another "Islam bad, everyone else good", when this is a global, cross-cultural issue, please consider supporting one of the multiple organisations acting to prevent this and other similar assaults on the rights of women and girls.

This specific instance is not cross cultural.

Hopefully all the right thinking Muslims will be standing up against this. If not, why not?

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Bollihobs · 09/11/2024 10:04

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 09/11/2024 07:56

This news is TWO months old. Telegraph have nothing better to do? As if they give a damn about Muslim girls in Iraq.
Old news and there is opposition to it:
www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/09/proposed-iraqi-law-change-would-legalise-child-say-activists

Two months old it maybe but did you know about it till today? I didn't.

I fail to see how it's a less awful proposition for having been announced 8 weeks ago rather than today.

And great that, because it's 8 weeks old and others did spot it, there's already opposition.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 09/11/2024 10:05

70% of those killed in Gaza by Israel are women and children. Better off dead yeah?

Oh look! A Jewish squirrel!

lasagnelle · 09/11/2024 10:06

Ilikeblacklabsandicannotlie · 09/11/2024 09:33

@wrongthinker Here's a report on the extent child marriage in that well known Muslim country, the USA.
US child marriage

What possible reason can there be for marrying a 10 year old to be legal? That's shocking

dottiehens · 09/11/2024 10:07

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 09/11/2024 08:31

It's horrific but it's hardly surprising or the "worst thing I've read all year" or something which is what the OP said. I'm suspicious of the motives of people bringing it up now.

Yes, for me it is the most disturbing news of the year too. Abortion issues in the US have mentioned everywhere before 2022.

I find your comment very odd.

TheLittleOldWomanWhoShrinks · 09/11/2024 10:08

I know Germany very well and no, the age of consent can't be lowered to 6. I'm wondering (though I haven't checked the Wikipedia link) whether it's managed to conflate it, somehow, with the gender self-ID law that requires a child aged 6 (or 5?) and above to consent if their parents want to change their legal gender.

The age of consent in Germany is 14. (Too young IMO. It is, at least, illegal for teachers. coaches, youth workers etc to have relationships with under-18s they are working with).

BabyEl · 09/11/2024 10:08

Stretchedresources · 09/11/2024 07:41

It's absolutely sick. It looks like it's still in the proposal stage though.
Can't the UN do anything about this?

No, sorry. Too busy writing another resolution against Israel.

www.timesofisrael.com/un-condemned-israel-more-than-all-other-countries-combined-in-2022-monitor/amp/

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 09/11/2024 10:09

Allergictoironing · 09/11/2024 08:54

I'm not a Muslim and I found your statement very racist, and not at all "innocent".

As @MissyB1 said, not all Muslims are the same. Similar to Christians really, there are various sects and divisions who interpret the "laws" very differently; they pick & choose the interpretations and writings that suit them. An example of this is that nobody as yet has managed to show me the place in the Bible that says women can never be priests, yet many Christian sects still ban women from this.

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.

And in several places in that letter, and more throughout the bible, qualifications for elders include them being a man.

The word "priest" isn't used here because priests are Old Testament mediators between people and God, and therefore no longer required after Jesus' atonement. Churches are meant to be led by elders.

Scirocco · 09/11/2024 10:09

Brananan · 09/11/2024 09:37

Do we have Americans moving to this country and treating 10 year old girls in this way? I doubt it. However, we have a lot of issues with Muslim men and sexual abuse of girls in the UK - see Rochdale.

Well, child marriage is legal in quite a few states in the US. 4 states even have no minimum age limit, if certain criteria such as parental consent are met. Sometimes, simply the child being pregnant is sufficient for a court to agree to marriage. Plus in some states, minors cannot legally divorce or leave their spouses and some domestic violence shelters refuse to accept minors.

Child sexual abuse and child marriage are global rights issues. Perverts are going to be perverts, regardless of the colour of their skin or the faith they claim to practise.