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TW death etc I think it’s a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid to google!

593 replies

SensibleSigma · 07/11/2024 17:10

someone was telling me about embalmers having to pull ‘stuff’ out of the veins since Covid/vaxines.

My natural instinct is to declare it total guff. Generally I’d use snopes or similar. But I don’t want to read conspiracy nonsense!

Are we experiencing unusual deaths since Covid/vaccines? I have a relative with an unexpected, unusual heart condition.
Could anyone oblige with actual information rather than conspiracy theories? To be honest I think I am being v v unreasonable to ask but I’m mulling on it.

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FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 07/11/2024 18:36

Heart conditions are always unexpected though. You dont get a save the date card “You will get paroxysmal atrial fibrillation 24/05/24 please take snacks to A+E and a flask of tea”

HurdyGurdy19 · 07/11/2024 18:37

WooleyMunky · 07/11/2024 17:35

The 'red stuff' was most likely blood.
Probably avoided touching it as a matter of routine hygiene.

And starting anything with 'I swear this is true' tends to be as believable as a 14yr old boy launching a story about this model that met on holiday with his parents but she goes to another school so you wouldn't know her.

Oh dear

samarrange · 07/11/2024 18:40

CookieMonster28 · 07/11/2024 18:30

I'm by no means an anti vaxxer - have had myself...but I did listen to the podcast about this and it was certainly good for thought! It's also got an interesting stance on fertility rates etc and anecdotally women have reported changes to their menstrual cycle since having the vaccine...it's hard not to believe there may be some truth in some of it!

Probably 15 to 20 million UK women of menstruating age have had the Covid vaccine in the last 4 years. After that, some of them may also have experienced changes in their cycle. That might be due to the vaccine, or it might have been due to any of the many thousands of other things that they did in the intervening time. Meanwhile the women who did not experience any change in their cycle did not write anecdotal reports about it.

Having a vaccine, especially as an adult, is a significant (psychologists would say "salient") event. Everyone talks about it, especially for the first two jabs. So when something slightly unusual happens, you're more likely to attribute it to the vaccine, simply because that event is available to your memory. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Here's a test. Go into your local Facebook group and say you have sciatica, and ask for suggestions. Out of 50 people you will get 30 or 40 different replies, and no "remedy" will be mentioned more than twice. Why? Because sciatica is both very annoying (so people try lots of stuff) and also basically self-limiting (i.e., it goes away on its own, albeit sometimes taking ages to do so). You will try lots of things, and one day, it will stop. And you will be convinced that it was whatever you tried the day before. But it really wasn't.

Availability heuristic - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Lickthips · 07/11/2024 18:40

Thank God for the covid vaccine. It's distracted all the conspiracy nuts from attacking the 5G towers.

DamselinDistress24 · 07/11/2024 18:41

Katemax82 · 07/11/2024 18:20

I haven't had the vaccine or the disease

Weren't some people asymptomatic.

Unless you constantly tested, how would you know for sure.

Laveritas · 07/11/2024 18:41

WooleyMunky · 07/11/2024 17:35

The 'red stuff' was most likely blood.
Probably avoided touching it as a matter of routine hygiene.

And starting anything with 'I swear this is true' tends to be as believable as a 14yr old boy launching a story about this model that met on holiday with his parents but she goes to another school so you wouldn't know her.

Oh dear, and I bet you thought you were being so clever with this reply 😬

WhichSock · 07/11/2024 18:43

People would be surprised what comes out of peoples’ bodies sometimes. My Aunt had colonic irrigation at a spa and they found a back door key she’d lost in 1987.

DamselinDistress24 · 07/11/2024 18:43

This thread has some of the funniest posts I've seen on here in a while.

Wasywasydoodah · 07/11/2024 18:44

SensibleSigma · 07/11/2024 17:47

I am thoroughly immunised and happy to present my arm for anything offered. I’m sheeple, me.

I was just having a bad moment in a bad day. 😅 Normal rational service will resume- though I’m still worried about a mis behaving elder and a young relative that collapsed needing CPR at work and a trip in a neenaw .

It’s been a fucking awful day and I’m now in a hot bath on the right side of a large gin.

I’m glad you posted and got some help here!

Livelovebehappy · 07/11/2024 18:45

There’s definitely stuff (not pulled from veins) which will come out within the next few decades re long term effects of Covid. I’ve had it three times (rather unfortunate seeing as I’ve worked from home since before covid), and still can’t taste or smell, and I worry that Covid may be lying dormant inside me, and rear it’s head in a new form in 10/20/30 years time - like something growing inside me. Not enough is known about long term affects because obviously it was new in 2019, so who knows about all the long term consequences?

wastingtimeonhere · 07/11/2024 18:47

I mentioned in a conversation that my son needed heart problems investigation, I listened to half an hour of how it was his own fault due to having the vaccine, how many young people are dying due to it, the government's plan was to decrease the population, its all part of the plan for a new world order..blah, blah before I could get a word in to say he didn't get vaccinated. Not being able to see a doctor for months, probably was the problem.

Barney16 · 07/11/2024 18:48

Someone did say to me, completely seriously, that they weren't having anymore vaccinations because of vaccine overload. I looked clueless, so she explained how vaccines build up in the body one by one until you have too many. I said I didn't think it quite worked like that...

JennySayQuoi · 07/11/2024 18:49

Bongosbanjo · 07/11/2024 17:39

Have you heard of humour? It highly contagious though so perhaps best avoided

Yeah, some people have natural immunity, though.

DamselinDistress24 · 07/11/2024 18:49

government's plan was to decrease the population

What, they want fewer people to pay taxes and pay for pensions and do essential jobs ... even though the birth rate is already low?

DeanElderberry · 07/11/2024 18:50

B vitamins to get your thiamine levels back up. But take a multi-B, not thiamine on its own. And take them at night before you go to sleep so you're not diluting them with other stuff for 8 hours or so. Cheap over the counter stuff is fine.

SensibleSigma · 07/11/2024 18:51

I so glad I posted instead of googling. It’s a far more effective distraction than falling into rabbit holes.

I’m saddened for all the folk with long Covid, but also hopeful that we’ll learn something useful about chronic illness.

I have fibro and avoid frustration and stress with all my might, because my body doesn’t deal well with it. Today has had lashings of both.

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DamselinDistress24 · 07/11/2024 18:52

wastingtimeonhere · 07/11/2024 18:47

I mentioned in a conversation that my son needed heart problems investigation, I listened to half an hour of how it was his own fault due to having the vaccine, how many young people are dying due to it, the government's plan was to decrease the population, its all part of the plan for a new world order..blah, blah before I could get a word in to say he didn't get vaccinated. Not being able to see a doctor for months, probably was the problem.

I heard similar from a maintenance man; also stated that the vaccines were supposed to stop us from getting COVID and didn't!

One of the few things I said in response was "eh, no, most vaccines don't stop you from contracting something, they're supposed to stop you from dying or experiencing serious problems from it". This was news apparently.

KnickerlessParsons · 07/11/2024 18:52

Lammveg · 07/11/2024 17:22

I think anything unusual or unexplained is now 'because of those vaccines'. There were unusal/unexplained medical diagnosis before covid too. I haven't seen any (real, scientific) evidence to suggest an increase in these cases or a link to covid vaccines.

Not stuff in people's veins though. That's really frightening 😁

CookieMonster28 · 07/11/2024 18:52

samarrange · 07/11/2024 18:40

Probably 15 to 20 million UK women of menstruating age have had the Covid vaccine in the last 4 years. After that, some of them may also have experienced changes in their cycle. That might be due to the vaccine, or it might have been due to any of the many thousands of other things that they did in the intervening time. Meanwhile the women who did not experience any change in their cycle did not write anecdotal reports about it.

Having a vaccine, especially as an adult, is a significant (psychologists would say "salient") event. Everyone talks about it, especially for the first two jabs. So when something slightly unusual happens, you're more likely to attribute it to the vaccine, simply because that event is available to your memory. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Here's a test. Go into your local Facebook group and say you have sciatica, and ask for suggestions. Out of 50 people you will get 30 or 40 different replies, and no "remedy" will be mentioned more than twice. Why? Because sciatica is both very annoying (so people try lots of stuff) and also basically self-limiting (i.e., it goes away on its own, albeit sometimes taking ages to do so). You will try lots of things, and one day, it will stop. And you will be convinced that it was whatever you tried the day before. But it really wasn't.

I'm ok but thanks for the patronising reply. I was just stating facts...and there's university research to support it as mentioned on said podcast.

TorroFerney · 07/11/2024 18:54

WooleyMunky · 07/11/2024 17:35

The 'red stuff' was most likely blood.
Probably avoided touching it as a matter of routine hygiene.

And starting anything with 'I swear this is true' tends to be as believable as a 14yr old boy launching a story about this model that met on holiday with his parents but she goes to another school so you wouldn't know her.

The red stuff was blood - that's what they want you to believe. It was not blood, how can people be fooled so easily. That's all i will say on the matter.

PS I think the other poster was being amusing.

alottobedone · 07/11/2024 18:54

JennySayQuoi · 07/11/2024 18:49

Yeah, some people have natural immunity, though.

Whereas others need to be vaccinated, though they are usually told that it was necessary and will kill them.

wastingtimeonhere · 07/11/2024 18:55

DamselinDistress24 · 07/11/2024 18:49

government's plan was to decrease the population

What, they want fewer people to pay taxes and pay for pensions and do essential jobs ... even though the birth rate is already low?

Ah..don't let logic get in the way..

Notmoog · 07/11/2024 18:56

samarrange · 07/11/2024 18:40

Probably 15 to 20 million UK women of menstruating age have had the Covid vaccine in the last 4 years. After that, some of them may also have experienced changes in their cycle. That might be due to the vaccine, or it might have been due to any of the many thousands of other things that they did in the intervening time. Meanwhile the women who did not experience any change in their cycle did not write anecdotal reports about it.

Having a vaccine, especially as an adult, is a significant (psychologists would say "salient") event. Everyone talks about it, especially for the first two jabs. So when something slightly unusual happens, you're more likely to attribute it to the vaccine, simply because that event is available to your memory. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

Here's a test. Go into your local Facebook group and say you have sciatica, and ask for suggestions. Out of 50 people you will get 30 or 40 different replies, and no "remedy" will be mentioned more than twice. Why? Because sciatica is both very annoying (so people try lots of stuff) and also basically self-limiting (i.e., it goes away on its own, albeit sometimes taking ages to do so). You will try lots of things, and one day, it will stop. And you will be convinced that it was whatever you tried the day before. But it really wasn't.

it has been acknowledged by the companies making the vaccines that changes in menstrual cycle is a side effect ( after denying it for a fair while till the evidence was overwhelming; same as heart conditions and strokes)

Howmanycatsistoomany · 07/11/2024 18:56

coffeesaveslives · 07/11/2024 17:16

I feel like the "Sensible" in your username is a bit out of place 😉

😂😂😂

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 07/11/2024 18:57

KnickerlessParsons · 07/11/2024 18:52

Not stuff in people's veins though. That's really frightening 😁

thrombosis, a clot, develops in the veins causing strokes or heart attacks depending on where they occur.
Thousands of people develop them, that's why we have statins and blod-thinning tablets