To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

So who has won? Or has it not been decided yet? Sorry, I’ve always struggled with following/understanding politics 🙈

Trump has won.

@NC4thread , it seems Trump has won .

Agree, I will never take my family to America for a holiday. We do take things for granted in this country we have so good compared to other countries.

The castration of a child, yes. But nobody is doing that.

Did you watch the video?

He was saying it's OK for people who are in a safe country to be happy to send others to war, but if you were on the front line with 9 guns pointed at you, would you say the same?

Do you really not understand it?

Trump

It's naive to think they're not already coming for us. We have:

• Evidence of Russian interference in our voting system;
• Multiple Russian cyberattack attempts on multiple UK systems;
• Novichok nerve agent used on UK soil, causing the death and injury of UK citizens (even the UK's chief police officer at the time said he thought it could be construed as an act of war).

It doesn't have to be all out nuclear war. Modern warfare tactics are way more subtle than that - and far more sinister as a result. They're already coming for us, and they were even prior to the invasion of Ukraine.

No, they don't have to find the "perfect" candidate at all. They just needed to find a competent candidate.

Trump is all about Trump. He couldn’t care less about being President in that he has no aspirational ideals for the country, he just wants everyone to tell him how great he is.

Now in some respects that could be good for the US as maybe the grown ups will take the lead in steering the good ship Trump, but equally if he gives jobs to the likes of RFK and let’s them instigate their crackpot ideas then hold on tight, it’s going to be a bumpy, and potentially deadly for some, ride.

Exactly. If by highlighting the dangers that women face by people who insist males can be women and have a right to be in their spaces and sports, that you automatically equate this with being a Trump supporter who ‘hates trans peepul’ it just makes one look thick as fuck.

I understand it fine. Do you think it is appropriate for a Presidential Candidate to make comments like that? I don't. Why are you defending him for making such violent comments?

So true. I feel that rich people are just in charge now. They can tell the rest of us how to think through social media. Everything is a war of conflicting opinions. Feels pointless to even try and fight it.

Not to mention this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/16/russia-suspected-of-planting-device-on-plane-that-caused-uk-warehouse-fire

Russia are amping up attacks on the West and will be emboldened by a Trump win, given their interference in past elections to help get him elected.

Well you missed the point of the poem…

Don’t forget this week’s revelation that Russian influences are believed to be behind an attempt to cause fires onboard transatlantic cargo flights.

Mystery fires were Russian 'test runs' to target cargo flights to US https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o

Trump is victorious. Blessed be the fruit.

It's not a violent comment though.
It's literally what I said.

Would people who advocate for war still say the same if they were on the front line? He's not saying she should be lined up with guns pointing at her.

Nice bit of misquotation/spin there.

Vance's actual words, found by me in a 10 second search on left-leaning fact checking site, Snopes, is as follows:

Kelly: You mentioned Usha. [News anchor] Joy Reid in that montage of media reactions I played, suggested that what your comments get to is that: the only valid version of America is a white woman who stays at home. That's your position according to her, you only value white stay-at-home moms.

Vance: That's just so disgusting Megyn. I love my wife so much. I love her because she's who she is. Obviously, she's not a white person, and we've been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha. She's such a good mom. She's such a brilliant lawyer and I am so proud of her. But yes, her experiences have given me perspective in the way it's really hard for working families in this country.

They are from his interview with Megyn Kelly 3 months ago, which included a conversation about how strong and brilliant women have been his backbone throughout his life, from his grandmother and sister who helped raise him when his father was absent and his mother was an abusive addict giving him an horrific childhood, to his brilliant wife whom he met at Yale Law school (which he got into as a working class kid getting a scholarship via serving his country in the armed forces), and who taught him how to have a loving relationship and family of his own. He's talking about how his grandmother was as strong as nails, then says about Usha:

"Usha is more sophisticated [than his grandmother] in the ways of the world, but I think what unites them as one, they're very tough, two, they're incredibly protective of their families, three, they're very smart."

He then gushes about Usha having introduced him at a convention, and that she's a tough act to follow because she's so beautiful/smart/charming and that he wanted her to be herself in that address because he loves her and thinks the world will fall in love with her. He talks about how she rejected having a speechwriter, but wrote her own speech and said exactly what she wanted to say. And he was so proud of her.

He clearly sees he as so much more than merely "brown" and a "mom"

Cross posted with @AnonymousBleep there!

Elon masks offer to give away 1 million a day to someone who votes Trump didn't help when people are struggling financially. Talk about buying the election. What happened to true democracy?

This makes complete sense to me.

He somehow embodies the feelings of the disillusioned, marginalised, angry people who have long since given up on the American Dream. He is an angry, spitting, seething voice for all that they cannot express and even though they don't believe he will 'make America great again' - at least not for them - they feel comforted by having someone speak their rage for them.

He has a very crude way of speaking but the argument he was making is one that anti war liberals have made for decades especially during the Bush years.

It's a Trumpish take on asking politicians whether they would be willing to sacrifice themselves or their loved ones in wars started by others.

From CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/23/health/gender-affirming-surgery-study/index.html

The study found that a fraction of gender-affirming surgeries – about 7% – were done on patients ages 12 to 18, but some experts think that number sounds high. Wright said the majority of these surgeries tended to be among 17- and 18-year-olds and were the less-invasive procedures like breast or chest procedures

There are children having healthy body parts removed in the USA.

I don't know how many castrations there v removal of healthy breasts but it is untrue to claim that no children are being mutilated.

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