Poppy on kids sports kits

[HelenHen]

This seems to be a big thing now, but seems very unfair.

How can a kid choose to not wear a poppy if its being handed out by their coach before a game?

Not everybody chooses to wear a poppy, for whatever reason... many people do and that's totally ok... but it seems harder and harder for kids to make the choice.

OP I have no idea what you want from this thread?

You are just repeating yourself over and over??

The poppy isn’t compulsory, coach has said no problem if she doesn’t want to wear it.

Your daughter doesn’t want to wear it and is able to decline when she is offered it.

Seriously what is the issue? Do you think if your daughter says no everyone will all stop and gasp in horror? Because it’s a kids football match on a Saturday- I really don’t think anybody is going to be paying that much attention to her…

Also you said that you don’t want the club to not offer a poppy so what do you actually want?

Read the thread and you’ll see how many people would be outraged!

it should be opt in, not opt out I suppose is the main just of the OP.

And you need to politely respect and accept that some people do not wish to wear a poppy.

You understand that don’t you?

You understand the UK is not a dictatorship?

I do not need nor want to read up about Ireland right now.

Eh yes you clearly do, you don't seem to understand why people don't want to wear poppies nor why they feel justified in not wanting to wear them. So you're happy to stay ignorant and yet berate people who don't want to think the same as you. Very clever. Was it for this that the greatest sacrifice was made by so many?

The irony (re: that certain poster) is astounding!

Only one?

Three grandfathers (one step) and one grandmother served in WWII. They taught me a great deal. None of it to shut up and do what I was told.

Whoever wrote; Because it’s part of the national landscape and social unity. Sports teams and youth groups will all be taught to carry on generational traditions. It builds up pride in your national heritage and story, which many cultures and nationalities do.

You know who says things like that? Read it back and have a think. Social unity and youth groups and pride in your national heritage? Yikes.

Remembrance Day is important and children should be taught about it and encouraged to wear a poppy

A brief mention of remembrance day and zero poppy fetishism will do me. Some good teaching about war, and the good and the bad of the UK defence force.

My grandfather, God rest him, served in the second world war. He never wore a poppy either.

I've read the whole thread and haven't read a single post that attacked someone for wanting to wear a poppy.

You need to stop making stuff up.

NOBODY has attacked you for wanting to wear a poppy. Literally nobody.

You are being challenged because you've been trying to tell people, without knowledge of the relevant history and with flagrant and disrespectful disregard for the experiences they're describing to you, that they're wrong, they need to show respect blah blah blah.

You are NOT being bullied. You are being called out on your willful ignorance and preaching from a place of ignorance.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. Nobody has suggested otherwise, other than to say your opinion does not = fact.

May I add, for free, that the irony of you TELLING people to be respectful by SHOWING complete disrespect to others is lost on nobody.

@JaneDoeHere Imagine being so full of venom that you are attacking someone for wanting to wear a poppy.

Oh get a grip, no one gives a fuck if you wear a poppy or not. No one has attacked you or anyone else in the slightest for wearing a poppy. I couldn’t care less if someone chooses to wear a poppy, what I take issue with is people, like you, who claim it’s ignorant, rude, disrespectful etc etc etc etc to not wear one.
You are literally the one attacking people for their choices because they are different to yours.

Perhaps consider why it is you have rubbed so many people the wrong way and think about the sort of things you say and how it comes across.

Literally no one is attacking people for wearing a poppy. You on the other hand have come at people trying to educate you as to why some people don't wear poppies. When faced with this ugly truth you've closed ranks, refused to learn anything and in fact have called yourself the victim. Truly, it's embarrassing.

Not the way it works, or the way the world works either. Unless you’re talking about a facist regime? Think like
me, be like me or get out?
the strength in teams are that they’re a whole
made up from lots of different people,
who may not agree on everything but when put together are stronger that one despite the differences .

Actually, I believe strongly in the importance of wearing a poppy but I totally agree with @HelenHen. It's meaningless if it's compulsory. It's a choice, and should be considered so; freedom of belief and free speech is being eroded across many areas of life inch by jnch at present to a frightening extent, usually as part of some form of virtue signalling.

People can refuse or disagree on principle without being disrespectful - that's all the OP wants to do, not impose her views on others.

You do realise I'm already speaking a foreign language because of these soldiers I'm being told to revere... whilst people are berating me for not forcing my kids to wear a poppy and 'have some respect'

No, the irony is not lost on me at all!

Not one person said you shouldn't wear a poppy.

Please direct quote the bullying post because I haven't seen any. You have had a go at many people on this thread and said some very personal stuff, so I'm very surprised that you feel like you've been bullied. Please report any bullying posts to mumsnet and I would imagine they will deal with it.

Thank you. I actually also explain to the kids why other family members are really into the poppy. I don't have to do that. The kids are hearing good things about the poppy from literally everyone. Yes I tell them my side but so that they have all the facts and can decide for themselves.

Hopefully somebody has taken something from this thread. It is not my intention for anyone to feel attacked. Though I wish people would back off in telling me my child should leave the team or insinuating that I'm a bad mom, or saying my child should be grateful and shut up.

I spoke to another mom from the team tonight. She hadn't considered this before and thanked me for raising it. She's a teacher and said she will be more considerate at this time of the year and not presume everyone is as enthusiastic as her. That's what I hope to gain from this thread too (to the person who asked) @Cheesyfootballs01

What is the issue? People literally get death threats for not wearing the poppy. It's not as gentle and simple as you think. Maybe I repeat myself because it's not sinking in with some people.

Opt in, not opt out!

So you are saying that the kids are going to get death threats for opting to not wearing a poppy?!

I think you might be taking this a bit far…

If people want to wear one - fine
If people don’t want to wear one - also fine

Oh, please. Stop trying to pretend you're a victim. No one has bullied you, for heaven's sake. And yet you've been extremely insulting to people who hold different opinions.

Your views have been challenged. That's the nature of debating. If you can't support your POV without (falsely) claiming to be a victim of bullying, you should probably find another way to spend your time.

@Cheesyfootballs01 If people want to wear one - fine
If people don’t want to wear one - also fine

That is obviously the sane thought process but actually quite a significant number of people feel differently.

In a world where people have just voted a sexual menace as president of the free world, I will protect my kid from every eventuality thank you.

Also a few comments here have said they would consider her stance to be ridiculous, and a reflection on me. So clearly people would judge her (and me).

Your last 2 sentences were all you needed to say on this.

Unlikely a child would get death threats, but yes at least two non-English football players (one from NI, one from Serbia) playing for English teams have received death threats for refusing to wear one.

Jon Snow and other newsreaders get regular abuse for not wearing one, don’t know if it has ever escalated to death threats.

Yes, death threats are unlikely, but being made to feel like shit for choosing not to, at the very least, is a real possibility, as you can see from the way some people on this thread are being treated by others!

‘* Imagine being so full of venom that you are attacking someone for wanting to wear a poppy.’*

wear it or don’t wear it. Freedom of choice. I won’t wear one but don’t care if you do or don’t.
At our match we will have a minutes silence on Sunday. Thats all. Appropriate without forcing anyone into performative poppy wearing