"Loving" XL Bully mauls 10yo to death

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www.lbc.co.uk/news/schoolgirl-malton-xl-bully-attack/

When will people wake the fuck up

There are a few round where I live. I have a small dog and they terrify me. I’ve often wondered what I would do if one was attacking.

With most dogs, a well aimed kick normally does the job enough to to make them let go of only temporarily - at least gives the victim a chance and the chance to grab the dog and pull it away - But nothing seems to stop XL Bully’s short of killing or otherwise incapacitating them.

The only thing I could come up with is pushing it’s eyes in - I know that sounds grim and cruel - but if it’s an XL Bully then it’s quite literally life or death and in that moment I’d do whatever I felt necessary.

But they have such teeny eyes (presumably for precisely this reason to make them less vulnerable in fights) I’ve no idea if it would actually be possible or would have any effect at all.

And I hate that I have to think like that when I love dogs and would normally never dream of inflicting harm on one.

And I get what you’re saying but they do not have the killer instinct that an XL bully has. The two animals should not be compared. And certainly should not be used as a reason to try to justify owning an XL bully or why the poor little girl was killed by one. Just because you have never been bitten by a dog, doesn’t mean it’s ok for people to own XL bullys which are now a banned breed

Pitbulls rarely require professional grooming - so she probably doesn’t get many in.
Pitbulls kill and maim more humans than any other breed ( statistics 📈)

Thankyou again!

I'm learning a lot here! You're stars!

I at least now have a defence strategy just in case x

Yes totally stupid to anthropomorphise a dog in that way. A dog has no concept of a loving relationship. That's a human viewpoint only and doesn't tell us anything about the dog's viewpoint

They need to end this breed immediately, and start prosecuting the owners of killer dogs with manslaughter.

How on earth did this family allow such a huge dog to live in a caravan of all places. My sympathy lies with that poor little girl and not much further.

Disagree. The approved list could have only dogs under 15 kg and no bull breeds to be kept as family pets. Plus perhaps a handful of purebred larger breeds that could be owned under more restrictive conditions. That would pretty much rule out an unprovoked dog attack killing someone regardless of the stupidity of the owners.

Golden retrievers need a huge amount of exercise , its madness to get one if you’re not prepared for that.

Yes. And if it’s attacking you just make sure to twist with the hand that hasn’t been chewed off yet.

The only thing I could come up with is pushing it’s eyes in - I know that sounds grim and cruel - but if it’s an XL Bully then it’s quite literally life or death and in that moment I’d do whatever I felt necessary.

Probably won't even make them flinch if their aggression has been triggered. It sounds bizarre, but think of them a bit akin to zombies in that state. Only death or incapacitation will make them stop. The kind of pain that may make a regular dog give up and let go will not work. These things take multiple gun shot wounds before dying.

How good is your aim? Because you will probably have to push something like a screw driver in far enough to skewer it's brain.

People around here have started carrying objects they are 'meaning to give to their mum' or 'forgot to take out of the bag when they were doing some DIY'.

Though honestly I think you still stand very little chance unless you are used to using weapons, at least 6 foot and built like a shithouse, AND very very quick.

It's just something people who (rightfully) feel helpless to protect themselves do to feel a little better when out and about. You also have its fierce intelligence to contend with, make no mistake, it may be on your arm, but it's eyeing up your throat and looking for a split second chance.

That would also rule out safe dogs like Labradors, but a poorly bread staffy could still do damage. The weight of a dog is not a good indicator on if it is a safe dog or not.

From what I'm reading here even cayenne pepper in the eyes & mouth wouldn't stop an dangerous dog attack. I understand given their instinct they attack to kill but surely even they can't tolerate a face & mouthful of extra hot cayenne pepper. I feel people need something to stop an unprovoked attack or are we just meant to accept owners walking about in the streets & parks with a dangerous dog with no muzzle. This wouldn't stop the dog from attacking occupants of their own house when its muzzle free but at least the general public would feel safer especially when out with children.

It would also rule out French bulldogs, and also greyhounds... a breed known to be gentle.

I wouldn’t allow a horse inside my home, on the sofa and around children living their lives though.

I don’t think these dogs should be allowed to be kept in a home where children live. The children didn’t choose to have a potential child killer be brought to live in their home where they have a right to be safe. If that means the dog has to be rehomed or PTS then tough. The parents are at fault for choosing to get one of these dogs in the first place. Sick of reading these stories.

So true.
People have selected for certain Dog traits for hundreds of years.

It’s hardwired into them to have these traits ( fighting breed/ chasing breed/ herding breed)

It’s not by chance that police and Army use Malinois or GSD for apprehending people with their intelligent natures and front tooth grip.

Probably the skill lies in training the dog to release immediately on command.

If it's already attacking me I'm giving up and letting someone else deal with it tbh

I'm pathetic at self defense. Pretty good at defending others tho. So hopefully I'll be kept around long term

Of course a dog has a concept of a loving relationship, otherwise they either wouldn't trust any human or would go off with anyone. They also get a surge in oxytocin levels when interacting with their owners.

Unfortunately Bully's are very emotionally sensitive, which is probably why they are more likely to snap and turn aggressive, especially when owned by bad owners.

Unfortunately now that all XL bullies have to be muzzled and kept on a lead when out will mean that there are going to be more underestimated dogs with mental health problems which are going to act out in a dangerous way. It would have been kinder to put them all to sleep than making them live with the torment that they are now live under as few XL bull owners will live in a big house with a large garden giving them all the mental stimulation that they need.

To me and most people with half a brain cell it's simple - don't have one of these dogs. If you have children you're basically sitting on a ticking time bomb.

There's always going to be the drug dealer type, who has these animals because they're illegal and it makes them look big and hard eye roll Let's face it if their dog attacks them it won't be a tragedy.

But what's absolutely baffling is the number of parents who get these creatures and think they're giant teddy bears despite the number of attacks occurring. I honestly can't get my head round why any parent would want to take any risk with having babies and young children in the presence of these killing machines. I think we need basic education on pet ownership in schools and on tv because no dog should be left alone with a young child, especially one with a gene that makes the dog flip at any given moment.

I only imagine that such parents don't watch news and don't look up statistics or do research. They just see their big fur baby look innocent and assume it is incapable of doing what it was originally bred to do- attack.

I’m a huge dog lover. I’ve a spaniel and my family nearly all own various dogs. But XL bully’s really concern me. I’m not nervous of any other dogs but if I see one out, with a muzzle, I take myself and my girl in any other direction,

People who are v nervous do get confused though and I’m not sure there’s enough animal welfare staff - eg our local community Facebook page said a few weeks back there was a large XL bully roaming the street killing cats. It was a cocker who had just escaped the garden, no cats were injured, it had been out ten minutes before it was found and taken home. I don’t feel safe around the bully’s, but some people panic just around any dog (understandable as I realise not all folk like dogs). Not sure how we’d get around this.

I don't think that's true. Lots of dogs never bite anyone despite not having much if any training. Other dogs bite despite being well trained.

Dogs will bite if afraid or challenged, that is to a large extent nothing to do with training, although it can be made worse by living in an environment with lots of unpredictable challenges or if their warning signals are ignored or punished, the threshold at which they bite is mostly inherent.

You can tell by whatever happens to be the trendy breed at the time. When I was young it was German shepherds and rottweilers - both can be pretty scary but generally shepherds are good for their owners. Rotties not so much or maybe just owned by stupider people. When it was staffies, there were very few problems because most staffies are friendly towards people (although not towards other dogs). Then it was huskies and Alaskan malamutes, more aggression problems but it wasn't terrible. Then XL bullies - suddenly loads of attacks.

Love is just a release of certain chemicals in the brain. Dogs, and many other mammals, get it.
Humans can talk about it. That is the only difference.
People who think dogs can't love have never had a dog.

Oxytocin does not equal love in the human sense. Trust is another human concept.
Dogs do not have the cognitive ability for these higher emotions. They are responding in the moment to whatever is going on. They don't have the complex memory or ability to think about the future to have those kinds of feelings.
Most dogs will generally be trusting of most people or untrusting of most people depending on their breeding and early life experiences and will get used to new owners very quickly given some tasty food.

Saw one on the tube the other day. With a "drug dealer type" owner and the dog had a collar with ridiculous large spikes on it. No doubt to make the owner look tougher 🙄

Dogs kill more people than guns in this country.