To think all of these people can afford children they just don't want them

[Surgicalprecison]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g7x5kl5l8o

These articles on the BBC lately show me people's priorities in life have shifted, they don't want children enough to compromise on their current lifestyles.

historically I think people have never had so
much reproductive autonomy as we have now. nor has it ever been so acceptable to be child free as it is now and that has given choices to a whole tranche of people who, if born in another era would have had children simply because it’s ‘what you do’.

We know raising children in poverty is sub optimal for the child, to say the least. Maybe they do want children but are not willing to compromise that childs life chances by raising them in insecure rented accommodation, struggling to make ends meet.

I think the poster was implying that the future generation is the potential workforce, so without them we don’t have people employed as nurses, care workers, nursing home staff etc. Not relying on family to be free carers.
Are you suggesting you’re planning to suicide to prevent your children having to look after you? Do you really think that the burden of having a family member who has suicided is less than that of caring for them in their old age? Why can’t you make plans for suitable care workers instead of something so selfish and unnecessary?

I thought it was an interesting article. Agree it’s really hard for people wanting kids with such out of control housing costs and childcare costs and often needing a dual income to survive.

That said I found the comment about adopting an older child because there are no nursery fees so off the mark regarding the likely needs of an older child, didn’t sound like they could have really researched about adoption. It’s so much more important and complex than that.

Classic MSM normalisation of people choosing not to have children because it's too expensive/ "the climate". I'm all for free choice but personally would love to see articles filled with people in their 30s talking about how fulfilling it is having children and how they manage quite happily with the sacrifices involved. Bet we won't though! As a society we're quite a long way away from "be fruitful and multiply" being considered good advice. I've been staggered by the things that have lined up for us since we took the plunge and had children despite not quite knowing how it would work out financially, emotionally or otherwise! It has been a good and happy decision for us and I feel quite sad for people who never get to experience all the fun / mayhem (through choice or otherwise). Good luck to anyone making a difficult decision, please don't let the BBC put you off!! Xxx

For me, the shocking thing in the article was the woman who spent £18k freezing her eggs at the age of 37. Her chances of producing a baby will be small, and it's capitalism gone mad. Who advised her to do that - the clinic?

Who will wipe your arse when you’re old? Oh that’s right - other people should keep raising kids right? People who have the means to raise kids but are voluntarily childless are often just selfish. Unwilling to share the load and expecting others to still have kids to keep the system working.

Childfree people are selfish 😀
Says somebody who had children so they can wipe her arse when she's old !

When I get to the stage that I can no longer wipe my own arse then I will
quite happily end my life so no-one else has to do it. I certainly wouldn’t have kids and expect them to do it as that would be incredibly selfish and they might not want to.

Nice edits. You can still see your offensive first post.

Do you expect your children to look after you when you're old? That's selfish.

My own children will not wipe
my arse unless things are really up shit creek. It will be the young nurses or care workers or whoever is able and kind enough if I cannot do it. The point is we are all supposed to be part of a social system. Not contributing to it, and only expecting to take from it, is selfish.

And the only way to contribute is by having children? 🫠

Sounds like you really regret having your kids and are jealous of people who made different life choices!

That’s the most important way, yes.

If someone wants children they'll have them I don't want them so won't have them

No, just irritated that I’m doing my part to keep our society functioning while others are not.

So people like Jane Austin, Frida Kahlo, Florence Nightingale, Kamala Harris... Their contributions were second rate because they didn't / don't have children?

No one asked you to do your part. I’m sure you didn’t decide to have kids purely to
”keep our society functioning” did you.

Not having kids is good for the environment though, so maybe you shouldn't be irritated but glad that your kids will have a better environment?

Its the best part of £20k more than the average income so I can't see how you can say it wouldn't be a nice existence. Its far better than the reality for most.

Im very honest and upfront we could have afforded one maybe two ten years ago. I assumed i would have in my twenties but as time went on i realised it wasn’t my path!

We chose not to have any together. We are now mid forties enjoying our life as is. Still get comments and confused looks when i mention this as i work with kids!

Also not married, pretty sure he still doesn’t want kids and isn’t about to up and marry someone else to have them😂

Do you think that people who recognise that they’re unfit to parent should have them anyway, to help society?

And in an article where the subject is not being able to afford to have children... There should be an upper age limit to egg retrieval, 37 seems cruel on her and like a company just seeing £££££ in front of their eyes.

I suggest you educate yourself on the rapid societal decline and ultimately collapse caused by depopulation, which by some accounts is already baked in. We are already completely dependent on immigration but when that dries up we are beyond screwed.

Aye, I just sit around all day not contributing. Not like I don't pay tax or work in a public service or mentor underprivileged young people or anything like that. Have you always been this holier than thou or is it just those with different life choices that set you off?