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To be annoyed I’m not in partners will????

923 replies

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 08:23

Backstory
we’ve been together almost 14 years. We’ve got children. Not married. His house we have lived in. He’s 60 I’m 50.

Am I being unreasonable that I’m annoyed now he’s doing his will his intention is to leave everything to the kids?
We have a decade age gap and I can’t help wondering what would happen to me of he died before me?
he sees it as his stuff so he leaves to who he wants to but I think it’s a huge red flag coupled with the fact obviously he’s not popped the question too

feels to me like he doesn’t really see us as an US?

what do you think?

OP posts:
LadyGabriella · 03/11/2024 09:35

Very wrong of him. You should probably have married. But even so, he should take steps to see you’re taken care of in his will. Those children wouldn’t exist if not for you. Very disappointing.

BringMeTea · 03/11/2024 09:35

OP don't bother responding to those here, specifically, to goad you. Just ignore the wee saddos.

Oblomov24 · 03/11/2024 09:36

What a mess!

premierleague · 03/11/2024 09:37

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:29

I wasn’t working to save up the money? My children were little so I wasn’t in work full time until the last few years in lower positions until I finally now have a good job.

For goodness sake. You gave up work for a man who won't marry you and doesn't give a shit about you? Why do women do this? Wake up. Check if you are on the deeds or mortgage of the house and if not then start saving as you're going to end up on your own and homeless otherwise.

user1467300911 · 03/11/2024 09:38

Please invest in some time with a good solicitor, who will help you come up with a plan to protect you.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 03/11/2024 09:38

premierleague · 03/11/2024 09:37

For goodness sake. You gave up work for a man who won't marry you and doesn't give a shit about you? Why do women do this? Wake up. Check if you are on the deeds or mortgage of the house and if not then start saving as you're going to end up on your own and homeless otherwise.

THERE IS NO MORTGAGE.

At least read the OP’s posts!

Newposter180 · 03/11/2024 09:39

Fireworkwatcher · 03/11/2024 09:31

Op even if he did change his will to include you he could easily change it again without your knowledge. Set yourself up for the future now . Good luck

This. You can’t trust him.

burnoutbabe · 03/11/2024 09:39

user1467300911 · 03/11/2024 09:38

Please invest in some time with a good solicitor, who will help you come up with a plan to protect you.

There is nothing she can do -it's his will/house and money.

Boobygravy · 03/11/2024 09:39

premierleague · 03/11/2024 09:37

For goodness sake. You gave up work for a man who won't marry you and doesn't give a shit about you? Why do women do this? Wake up. Check if you are on the deeds or mortgage of the house and if not then start saving as you're going to end up on your own and homeless otherwise.

She’s not, that’s the whole point of this thread.

Standin · 03/11/2024 09:41

Purplethursdays123 · 03/11/2024 09:33

This kind of arrangement is useful but for tax purposes it’s an absolute nightmare. Did you get advice on the tax consequences of this right to reside, presuming you are in E&W.

We have considered inheritance tax.

We will review the will every two years for change of circumstance.

It is me that doesn't want to marry, regardless of the tax savings.

Have we missed anything?

DillyDallySal · 03/11/2024 09:42

I wouldn’t be able to sit and have breakfast with him, never mind get into bed next to him tonight knowing he would willingly leave me homeless in my old age. Fuck that. OP, get very angry and leave. It really is that bad. If you leave now, you wouldn’tneed a BtL mortgage, you could buy somewhere to live and start securing your future. He can pay maintenance and fuck off with needing care in his old age. Get out now.

Reluctantgarderner · 03/11/2024 09:42

Just a thought, If he ever needs care his house and money would be used for that , Money would go first ie not fair on his daughter. , Yes he’s only 50 but things do happen and if he’s lost capacity he wouldn’t be able to change his will.
We have an arrangement where both of us can live in our home for the rest of our lives (or rent it out ) but the deceased’s half is left to children . Would he consider something similar? You live there for the rest of your life but house belongs to kids?

In your position I wouldn’t be happy at all and would be looking to buy my own property.

TheaBrandt · 03/11/2024 09:42

My message about being married was to a previous poster who said they you can leave your spouse out of a will. Op obviously doesn’t have that protection she has some limited recourse of a potential claim but that’s not to be relied on.

He could easily provide for her and the children in his will but if he’s choosing not to op needs to act now to secure her own future.

DoreenonTill8 · 03/11/2024 09:43

Wednesdaysdrag · 03/11/2024 09:08

Except it wouldn’t be him losing money. It would be their children.

Doesn’t sound like he is daft enough to believe she will take money off her kids.

It does sound a bit like that, if this is how conversations around it have gone I’m slightly more concerned about making sure I’m provided for in some way rather than making sure the kids who definitely will be provided for are done so 100% equally, but it is a conversation to have.
Have you seen the relationship about you being 'provided for' the thing is, you have power to change your income, the dc at present don't.

Stretchedresources · 03/11/2024 09:44

"boy to have the house and the girl to have the money is his plan."
Another red flag. The dc's should have an equal split. I don't know how you'll unpick this mess but someone has got to make him realise what a potential mess he's going to cause to his dc's alone.

Quibbledibble · 03/11/2024 09:44

I’m in the opposite position to you. My DP isn’t on the deeds to our house and we’ve been together a long time with our DC. Per my will he has a life interest in the property if I die, so that he’s taken care of but it ultimately transfers to our DC - I.e. him marrying someone else wouldn’t impact anything
I can’t imagine not including him and leaving him with nothing!
really questionable behaviour - at best, he’s not being considerate

TiredEyesSoreHeart · 03/11/2024 09:44

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:25

He would have said no!

"He would have said no!"

Then he doesn't love you and was simply getting the proverbial cow and milk for free, so to speak, and more fool you for not having the self respect and presence of mind to protect yourself and your children and demand marriage or walk. If he tosses you out, you and your children will have fuck all! You made no attempt to protect your own children! You should have demanded marriage or walked. No ifs ands or buts. You should still do it now. You're a live in 'fuck buddy' for him, that's all you are to him, he has no commitment to you. WHY do women DO this to themselves! I would have demanded marriage as soon as I got pregnant. It's really irresponsible to leave you and your children with no security. 14 years? That's ridiculous, it'd be marry me in 3 years (they should know by two years if the want to spend the rest of their life with you) or I'm walking!! Where is your self respect? Fuck him! Throw him in the gutter, if he won't commit to you. What a worthless pos he is.

FairyPoppins · 03/11/2024 09:44

Lovelock1984 · 03/11/2024 09:22

If I were you I would plough all your money you are now making into your LISA. Do not contribute at all to the house or anything in it. Use him like he has used you. If you leave you have nothing. He could live for another 20 years so use this time to get yourself set. When you are in a position to buy a place outright just go without a backward look.

This....he could tell you he's made provision for you in his will, just to stop you mentioning it.
Save as much as you can. Plan for your own future.

HollyKnight · 03/11/2024 09:45

Why are you surprised that people are telling you to leave him? Find some self respect. This man is openly telling you what you are worth to him. Which is nothing. You are not worth protecting. He wants nothing to do with your future. Not his problem. You're on your own here. Why the heck would you want to be with someone like that? For your daughter's sake, show her that her dad is not a good example of a life partner.

22mumsynet · 03/11/2024 09:46

You have sacrificed your career, earnings and pension to have the children. Does he really want to see you homeless if he dies? Have you asked him this? Does he have that little regard for the person he chose to have children with that he would want her left with nothing?
has he seen a competent solicitor for this will? A competent solicitor would have advised him about trusts and at minimum a life interest in the property for you. As you have been living together for over 2 years you would also have a claim against his estate under the ‘Inheritance (provision for family and dependants) act 1975 and would likely be successful. A competent solicitor would advise him of this. By leaving you out and forcing you to make a claim (against your own children) he is making unnecessary expense and stress and delay which could all easily be dealt with by a life interest. You get somewhere to live, but can’t leave house to anyone else, it is fixed and will go to kids on your death. As others have stated ‘house to boy and cash and investments to girl’ is also likely to add to unfairness between the children. The values are unlikely to be equal when he dies. It sounds like he has not discussed this with a solicitor who is a will specialist and STEP member.

coffeesaveslives · 03/11/2024 09:46

user1467300911 · 03/11/2024 09:38

Please invest in some time with a good solicitor, who will help you come up with a plan to protect you.

A solicitor won't be able to help her - it's not her house and they're not married.

AnonyLonnymouse · 03/11/2024 09:46

Entertherubicon · 03/11/2024 09:20

Why the fuck do women have children before marriage or a civil partnership? This is the reason who some cultures really encourage marriage before children because the woman always gets ripped off.

Why would he want to commit legally now as you've already given him kids, housework & sex on tap.

Yes, the ‘marriage is just a piece of paper’ proponents really have screwed over a lot of women. I suppose it didn’t seem such an issue in the sixties and seventies when the workplace was starting to open up to women, housing was far cheaper relative to salaries, council housing was being built and the population was smaller.

OP @YourRealBiscuit Why on earth didn’t you put your foot down when you were pregnant and insist on getting married at that point?

Did you never read any financial articles in newspapers or magazines setting out the complications that can occur when cohabiting, particularly around property?

I am slightly younger than you and know for a fact that many such articles were published over the years, because it is to one of them that I owe my own financial security.

My boyfriend (now DH) was keen to buy a house together but I insisted that I wasn’t going to take that step without being married. (We had been in a committed relationship for about eight years at that point, so it wasn’t unreasonable!)

You have literally given away your entire financial security and signed yourself up for poverty in your old age. You don’t even own a garden shed to doss in and would have to throw yourself on the mercy of the council. That is how serious your situation would be if your DH died and you weren’t successful in challenging the will.

You will need to be very, very focused to put this right.

November2024WL · 03/11/2024 09:47

With 800k he would rather pay the tax man than help you.

He does not care about you.

Get out now before he becomes a crux around your neck.

UpTheMagicChristmasTree · 03/11/2024 09:47

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 09:04

I get what you’re all saying about his proposed will for the kids too. However this house is probably worth £400k and there’s about that in savings and investments that’s without cash in his bank, so I hope that will be okay.
At this point, I know this is bad but I’m slightly more concerned about making sure I’m provided for in some way rather than making sure the kids who definitely will be provided for are done so 100% equally, but it is a conversation to have.

It won't be okay at all and will likely cause resentment between them. Why is he not choosing to at least treat them equally? He is clearly either unkind or unintelligent based on his intentions. I think I know which is the more likely, though it is possibly both.

GabriellaMontez · 03/11/2024 09:48

YourRealBiscuit · 03/11/2024 08:41

In answer to some questions

I work, fair salary and I do have a small LISA with about £6k in it, for my area it’s not too far away from a house deposit

The children are tweens. The will would be set up for my boy to have the house and the girl to have the money is his plan.

He’s never wanted to get married, even back when things were in the honeymoon romance stage!

If I’m really honest I’ve always felt like a bolt-on. The fact we lived in his home, and he didn’t want to get married, it’s always made me feel like I wasn’t a permanent fixture anyway.

That’s why I saved in the LISA just in case but isn’t it a really cold. Significant move to buy my own house? Presumably I’d need a BTR mortgage needing a 20% deposit which would be harder. It’s taken me a while to get back into work after the kids and working part time but now I’m in a position to save a lot more now.

Cold? Him planning to leave you homeless is cold.