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Husband’s insane ex destroying my mental health.

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GettingToTheCrux · 02/11/2024 22:49

Before meeting my husband, I didn’t have any drama in my life. I’m not a dramatic person and anytime I’ve had issues with people in the past, I’ve been able to deal with them quickly and effectively. I’ve never experienced anything like this before.

For the first few years of our relationship, my (then boyfriend’s) ex, was quietly annoying in the background, but didn’t cause any major issues. He mentioned on several occasions that she had mental health issues and this had been the cause of their relationship deteriorating, but I never saw any of that and as I said, was fine for a few years. We both assumed she had calmed down. They share a child, and my husband and I also have a child.

In the last two years, his ex has ramped up her behaviour to the extent it is effecting my own mental health. I feel anxious a lot, angry, upset, and is impacting our relationship. We argue a lot, we never used to. I can’t concentrate on my job well, or our child, I’m irritable.

Some of the things she has done: sending abusive text messages and emails, not only to my husband but to their child who then ends up extremely distressed. She sends highly
manipulative texts to my stepchild, often abusing or being negative about my husband. She has also sent in the past, highly inappropriate messages, including suicidal and sexual messages, these ones aren’t to my stepchild but to my husband. She refuses to cooperate in any reasonable manner, oftentimes blocking my husband or ignoring his messages so it’s impossible to contact her regarding child arrangements or anything else. In the past she has spread rumours about us to shared acquaintances and has told her child outright lies about us. The most recent thing? Opening up a fraudulent case with the child maintenance service so we are liable for huge payments, and the child maintenance service won’t accept that’s she lying without a child arrangement order from court, which will take months if not years to obtain. Not only do we now have the stress of her erratic behaviour which can be set off at any moment, but also now have the financial stress of my husband - and by extension me - having to find hundreds of pounds a month to pay her, which she isn’t entitled to and we can’t afford whilst also supporting their shared child and ours. It feels constant. As soon as one thing is dealt with, she’s doing something else.

I’ve had enough and want to report her to the police, social services, action fraud etc. I’m sick of her and her behaviour, it’s making me unwell and having a negative impact on our whole household. My husband is in constant bad moods and I have told him all of this but he won’t hear any mention of reporting her to the police or any other service as he thinks it will negatively impact their child and their child will hate us. It’s probably true that his child will ‘hate us’ for a time, but I do think one day they would understand as we have all of the evidence of her behaviour. It’s also not fair on me and our child to have to just put up with this. I’m at the point of wanting to leave as I don’t feel I can take this anymore.

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GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 20:55

Hello0102 · 07/11/2024 16:59

@GettingToTheCrux They don’t by default just accept what the mother says. When they get a claim they should be contacting to verify. It’s also a finable offence for her to put in a fraudulent claim, so I would suggest making sure you gather as much evidence of this, even if it’s time stamped photos etc to show your step child’s whereabouts and keep a diary , or text evidence to confirm what the care arrangements are etc. What I would suggest is you simply go on the CMS site and raise a claim yourself with the complete and honest information. (You will then see what I mean about warning about putting in a false claim) .Who is down as the resident parent? Who is in receipt of child benefit? Whilst it doesn’t help with financial discussions, it will only be a couple of years where you will find you will just be going directly through your stepchild about anything else as they gain more independence anyway

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How would that even work though? We say the truthful information and they claim child maintenance off her or they reassess her claim? It seems like they just believe everything the mother says, so won’t they just accept her version again and cancel our claim?

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Gonk123 · 07/11/2024 20:56

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 20:55

How would that even work though? We say the truthful information and they claim child maintenance off her or they reassess her claim? It seems like they just believe everything the mother says, so won’t they just accept her version again and cancel our claim?

Have you got in touch with your MP? Have you done anything proactive since posting on here?

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 20:59

@Gonk123 I have had discussions with my husband and we are going to see our MP next week. I’m wondering if there is anything we can do in the meantime like counter claiming child maintenance off her as this poster suggested.

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Stillnormal · 07/11/2024 21:08

I think you need to call SS. This is most awful for her own child - it really sounds like everyone needs support to deal with this. If that’s not an option as others have said you need to protect yourself and your child - this sounds awful I’m really sorry

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:17

Stillnormal · 07/11/2024 21:08

I think you need to call SS. This is most awful for her own child - it really sounds like everyone needs support to deal with this. If that’s not an option as others have said you need to protect yourself and your child - this sounds awful I’m really sorry

I agree but my husband won’t involve any agencies like the police or social services, I think we should be documenting all of this with these services but he refuses.

How can we counter claim for child maintenance if she;s already got herself down as the resident parent and they refuse to believe us?

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MrsSunshine2b · 07/11/2024 21:19

I've been there- although husband's ex is not THIS crazy- and it does get better.

Take a deep breath.

CM is until they finish A Levels or equivalent, so could be anywhere before his 19th birthday in theory depending on when his birthday is. It sounds like you've lined up a meeting with your MP to sort out the shambles that is CMS. When this is resolved your payments will go down to account for the overpayment.

DH should block her number and organise a parenting app. Ours refused to do this "in case it was hacked" despite happily using text, WhatsApp and email to communicate about SD, all which could also be hacked, but in your case the messages he is getting are so malicious that they are criminal. Some parenting apps automatically "tone check" messages to make sure there's no hostility.

Set up a regular contact routine and avoid contact as much as possible. You cannot co-parent with this type of person, DH needs to parallel parent. Minimum communication only about absolute essentials. Having the same routine means there's not much to discuss.

It's not really 5 years for most things. In 3 years he'll be 16 and you can organise things directly with him.

DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:20

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:17

I agree but my husband won’t involve any agencies like the police or social services, I think we should be documenting all of this with these services but he refuses.

How can we counter claim for child maintenance if she;s already got herself down as the resident parent and they refuse to believe us?

I already told you that you need to claim child benefit. CMS will always deem the person in receipt of child benefit as the resident parent.

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:22

How can we claim child benefit if she already does though?

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DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:31

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:22

How can we claim child benefit if she already does though?

Go on gov.uk print form for new claim to child benefit. Fill it in and post it. It will go to their rival claims team who will ask questions and determine who gets child benefit.

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:34

Thank this is really helpful.

Won’t they be biased though if she’s been claiming it for so many years? Do you know the sort of evidence they use to determine who is entitled to it?

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Stillnormal · 07/11/2024 21:35

Really tricky if your husband won’t allow your to get help. If not documenting it with SS at least make sure you do it for your own records in case it is helpful at some stage later. Can you call anyone anonymously to ask what kind of help could be offered/ what the process would be to reassure your DH? Or even just for your own sanity - knowing what options might be available ways helps me feel more in control of a situation. Would your DH’s ex be open to any kind of mediation or intervention? Do take heart from others with experience saying it gets better - it’s been better before and I’m sure it does I’m just trying to think of things to help you cope with it in the meantime/speed it along a bit.

DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:37

They won’t be biased as they don’t care. It’s all about balance of probability so things like where does the child sleep. Where does the child sleep on a Sunday night. Where are they registered for doctors/dentist/school. Who pays for school dinners/clothes/school
trips.

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:43

DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:37

They won’t be biased as they don’t care. It’s all about balance of probability so things like where does the child sleep. Where does the child sleep on a Sunday night. Where are they registered for doctors/dentist/school. Who pays for school dinners/clothes/school
trips.

I see. So basically everything we have submitted to CMS we need to submit to child benefit along with our application to prove we have 50/50 care?

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DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:45

They will ask what questions that the decision maker wants to decide who gets the child benefit.

Lizzie67384 · 07/11/2024 21:48

How could she be making fraudulent child maintenance claims? He has a child with her and so has to pay a certain amount per month…

GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:50

Lizzie67384 · 07/11/2024 21:48

How could she be making fraudulent child maintenance claims? He has a child with her and so has to pay a certain amount per month…

Because she’s said we have my step child for less nights than we actually do so she can claim a load of extra maintenance

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GettingToTheCrux · 07/11/2024 21:52

DuckBee · 07/11/2024 21:45

They will ask what questions that the decision maker wants to decide who gets the child benefit.

Thanks yoiu’ve been really helpful I am going to ring them tomorrow

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ThinWomansBrain · 07/11/2024 21:53

How does SD feel about her DM? Does she want to spend time with her?

Hello0102 · 07/11/2024 22:15

When they contact your husband about the claim he will need to correct them
on the information she has provided and there is this opportunity to do this- otherwise people could just put whatever on the forms if there was no consequence or challenge ! if she is still the resident parent in theory this still probably leaves you worse off than if you were the resident parent claiming from her though, if she is the resident parent claiming than they will take a starting point by calculating the maintenance for one child, they will then reduce that figure based on the nights per week which will hopefully be a substantial reduction for you . but if I was you I would also do what the other posters have suggested and try and go for resident parent and then be the one claiming

GettingToTheCrux · 08/11/2024 11:06

Hello0102 · 07/11/2024 22:15

When they contact your husband about the claim he will need to correct them
on the information she has provided and there is this opportunity to do this- otherwise people could just put whatever on the forms if there was no consequence or challenge ! if she is still the resident parent in theory this still probably leaves you worse off than if you were the resident parent claiming from her though, if she is the resident parent claiming than they will take a starting point by calculating the maintenance for one child, they will then reduce that figure based on the nights per week which will hopefully be a substantial reduction for you . but if I was you I would also do what the other posters have suggested and try and go for resident parent and then be the one claiming

Edited

cms have already contacted him and rejected all of his evidence (we have loads as we are telling the truth!) next step is to apply for the child benefit as another person suggested and then also to see our MP in a couple of weeks. Thanks to everyone who has tried to help really grateful

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Gonk123 · 08/11/2024 18:05

Have you told CMS that you have a child together? They make a deduction for other children he has living with him.

ThatGladTiger · 08/11/2024 18:17

I believe you regarding the CMS and we’ve had the same. It’s another post office scandal waiting to happen how dodgy they are.

You can appeal against a ruling with the CMS and if that’s rejected you can apply for it to be seen by a judge under a tribunal. This is what we did. The judge believed us……

I would also block her number on your child’s phone. There is no reason for her to text them. We looked at anti-molestation orders, but they are not permanent sadly.

Good luck OP. I get it, when the system seems to be against you it’s so hard. But there is a system of appeal for CMS.

dorabora · 08/11/2024 19:15

We've also had the cms taking mums word as gospel, even with dh sending bank statements every single month proving he was paying dsds mum ! The lies she told were outrageous and cms just took it !! It is a scandal I agree

dorabora · 08/11/2024 19:16

Gonk123 · 08/11/2024 18:05

Have you told CMS that you have a child together? They make a deduction for other children he has living with him.

It's pittance, we didn't even bother in the end it wasn't worth the shit it caused with the ex

dorabora · 08/11/2024 19:18

Lizzie67384 · 07/11/2024 21:48

How could she be making fraudulent child maintenance claims? He has a child with her and so has to pay a certain amount per month…

By lying about the amount of nights the dad has the child, it's pretty simple to blag the cms