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Husband’s insane ex destroying my mental health.

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GettingToTheCrux · 02/11/2024 22:49

Before meeting my husband, I didn’t have any drama in my life. I’m not a dramatic person and anytime I’ve had issues with people in the past, I’ve been able to deal with them quickly and effectively. I’ve never experienced anything like this before.

For the first few years of our relationship, my (then boyfriend’s) ex, was quietly annoying in the background, but didn’t cause any major issues. He mentioned on several occasions that she had mental health issues and this had been the cause of their relationship deteriorating, but I never saw any of that and as I said, was fine for a few years. We both assumed she had calmed down. They share a child, and my husband and I also have a child.

In the last two years, his ex has ramped up her behaviour to the extent it is effecting my own mental health. I feel anxious a lot, angry, upset, and is impacting our relationship. We argue a lot, we never used to. I can’t concentrate on my job well, or our child, I’m irritable.

Some of the things she has done: sending abusive text messages and emails, not only to my husband but to their child who then ends up extremely distressed. She sends highly
manipulative texts to my stepchild, often abusing or being negative about my husband. She has also sent in the past, highly inappropriate messages, including suicidal and sexual messages, these ones aren’t to my stepchild but to my husband. She refuses to cooperate in any reasonable manner, oftentimes blocking my husband or ignoring his messages so it’s impossible to contact her regarding child arrangements or anything else. In the past she has spread rumours about us to shared acquaintances and has told her child outright lies about us. The most recent thing? Opening up a fraudulent case with the child maintenance service so we are liable for huge payments, and the child maintenance service won’t accept that’s she lying without a child arrangement order from court, which will take months if not years to obtain. Not only do we now have the stress of her erratic behaviour which can be set off at any moment, but also now have the financial stress of my husband - and by extension me - having to find hundreds of pounds a month to pay her, which she isn’t entitled to and we can’t afford whilst also supporting their shared child and ours. It feels constant. As soon as one thing is dealt with, she’s doing something else.

I’ve had enough and want to report her to the police, social services, action fraud etc. I’m sick of her and her behaviour, it’s making me unwell and having a negative impact on our whole household. My husband is in constant bad moods and I have told him all of this but he won’t hear any mention of reporting her to the police or any other service as he thinks it will negatively impact their child and their child will hate us. It’s probably true that his child will ‘hate us’ for a time, but I do think one day they would understand as we have all of the evidence of her behaviour. It’s also not fair on me and our child to have to just put up with this. I’m at the point of wanting to leave as I don’t feel I can take this anymore.

OP posts:
TheSilkWorm · 03/11/2024 08:35

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:25

I’d like to report it all to the relevant services but my husband refuses and we end up arguing and falling out every time is brought us as he refuses to deal with it properly (in my opinion) and just wants to deal with it in his own way.

Which relevant services though?
police? Has she actually done anything illegal? Possibly harassment, but the CMS claim isn't illegal. Social services - totally pointless, this is a contact dispute. You absolutely should apply to court yes as that will set out contact arrangements formally. What is the dispute process with the CMS? Surely he can put in a claim himself? It doesn't matter if she claimed first?

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:37

TheSilkWorm · 03/11/2024 08:35

Which relevant services though?
police? Has she actually done anything illegal? Possibly harassment, but the CMS claim isn't illegal. Social services - totally pointless, this is a contact dispute. You absolutely should apply to court yes as that will set out contact arrangements formally. What is the dispute process with the CMS? Surely he can put in a claim himself? It doesn't matter if she claimed first?

Harassment, definitely. Surely knowingly supplying the CMS with false information is fraud. The very definition of fraud is:

“wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.”

OP posts:
TheSilkWorm · 03/11/2024 08:39

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:37

Harassment, definitely. Surely knowingly supplying the CMS with false information is fraud. The very definition of fraud is:

“wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.”

Edited

Reporting it to the police would be a sheer waste of time even if it did meet the criteria for fraud and/or harassment.

The processes you need to use are the CMS dispute process and the family court.

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:41

Her messages would also fall under domestic abuse, as would her maintenance claim, financial domestic abuse.

OP posts:
DuckBee · 03/11/2024 08:51

If you have child benefit for the child this will all go away.

MsCactus · 03/11/2024 08:51

OP - I remember another thread on a similar situation. The previous OP's husband said to the ex if they didn't drop their claim then they would put in a counter claim for even more money. Then the ex backed down and dropped their fraudulent claim.

I believe you can put in a CMS claim for the ex - and the same rules apply, they have to pay until it's disproven by court order

Spookyspookie · 03/11/2024 08:59

I would just apply for the court order, block her & let your child communicate re. Arrangements or use parenting app as suggested.

TheSilkWorm · 03/11/2024 09:02

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:41

Her messages would also fall under domestic abuse, as would her maintenance claim, financial domestic abuse.

Maybe. But you're not the victim, and given that the relationship is way over, I doubt there will be any will from the police to investigate this as a criminal offence. You're barking up the wrong tree and your husband has clearly said he doesn't want to report her to the police. You need to respect that.

renoleno · 03/11/2024 09:06

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:25

I’d like to report it all to the relevant services but my husband refuses and we end up arguing and falling out every time is brought us as he refuses to deal with it properly (in my opinion) and just wants to deal with it in his own way.

Yeah, him dealing with it his own way is exactly why it's gotten so bad. He's pussyfooting around her so she knows she can threaten/make life miserable. If he doesn't report her or talk to a lawyer, you should do it yourself particularly the abuse. He may get angry but he'll get over it. You're financially impacted directly, as is your own child and your step child - so it's not just his say anymore. Woman to woman I would take her on as you don't carry the emotional attachment and guilt he does towards her because of their child. You can be rational and ruthless where he can't do more able to protect your family than him.

renoleno · 03/11/2024 09:09

Also the threat of police involvement can often be enough to stand someone like her down because she won't want to risk it, she does what she does because neither of you challenge her. Any threat of police or CMS will show her it will be a longer tougher road than she expected, particularly if it's both of you as a team against her.

Gonk123 · 03/11/2024 09:12

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 08:18

@HollyKnight I am not sure how a claim against her for maintenance would even work, she’s got their first so to speak, and they’ve already told us multiple times that they will only believe us if we obtain a court order. We’ve found them an awful service to deal with, they seem to just believe the mother or whoever got the claim in first defacto. He didn’t go for full custody as she had always directed the abuse at him and never their child, and for years it was okay, but just recently she’s become awful and directing the abuse at her child too.

Everything is joint between me and my husband, including all monies, so yes I am paying her too.

Go to your MP about the CMS and explain what is happening.
Also make sure they deduct for the child you have together as there is an allowance for this.
Go to court and get your order, it does not take years at all. That’s just nonsense.
you need to be pro active - the court will help with her behaviour.
keep a diary of everything.

Ohnobackagain · 03/11/2024 09:13

@GettingToTheCrux a 13 year old who lives with you the majority of the time … I think there’s a huge difference between being unkind and rude about their Mum and telling the child some simple facts about what's happening. I hope your DH has spoken to the child about the lies and so on.

I would go and see a family law solicitor on your own maybe to get the facts (or go to Citizen’s Advice). I would also maybe set your own ultimatums/limits here - separate your finances from DH, pay your half of bills. Let him enable
her to keep going - he doesn’t get to say how your money is spent.

BellissimoGecko · 03/11/2024 09:15

Opening up a fraudulent case with the child maintenance service so we are liable for huge payments, and the child maintenance service won’t accept that’s she lying without a child arrangement order from court, which will take months if not years to obtain

How can she do this? Surely you can show proof of earnings to the CMS, and proof of what you have paid?

She sounds batshit. I'd contact the police for advice. 💐

OptimismvsRealism · 03/11/2024 09:17

Bit dubious about the CMS claim part. Your husband needs to go to court to formalise everything. And post 18 I'd assume he'll be paying for the kid's accommodation and further education so it will get even pricier.

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:19

OptimismvsRealism · 03/11/2024 09:17

Bit dubious about the CMS claim part. Your husband needs to go to court to formalise everything. And post 18 I'd assume he'll be paying for the kid's accommodation and further education so it will get even pricier.

I wish I was making this up, I really do. I’ve never dealt with such an incompetent service in all my life. Makes me angry too as a tax payer that I’m funding this joke of a service.

OP posts:
GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:21

MsCactus · 03/11/2024 08:51

OP - I remember another thread on a similar situation. The previous OP's husband said to the ex if they didn't drop their claim then they would put in a counter claim for even more money. Then the ex backed down and dropped their fraudulent claim.

I believe you can put in a CMS claim for the ex - and the same rules apply, they have to pay until it's disproven by court order

The problem is, my husband won’t do these tough things and whenever I suggest them he gets angry with me and we end up arguing.

OP posts:
Laptoppie · 03/11/2024 09:23

I think if you get heavily involved and report it will ruin your marriage anyway, the reality is if your husband won't step up and protect you and your child then leaving is the only thing that will save you from the drama.

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:23

Ohnobackagain · 03/11/2024 09:13

@GettingToTheCrux a 13 year old who lives with you the majority of the time … I think there’s a huge difference between being unkind and rude about their Mum and telling the child some simple facts about what's happening. I hope your DH has spoken to the child about the lies and so on.

I would go and see a family law solicitor on your own maybe to get the facts (or go to Citizen’s Advice). I would also maybe set your own ultimatums/limits here - separate your finances from DH, pay your half of bills. Let him enable
her to keep going - he doesn’t get to say how your money is spent.

He hasn’t spoken to my stepchild. I have said many times I think we should tell him the facts of the situation but he keeps saying we shouldn’t involve him. Meanwhile he hears us arguing and sees me upset and his mum fills him with poison about us at every chance.

OP posts:
Blueskieslookingatme · 03/11/2024 09:30

What am I failing to understand here? Happy to be educated.
Surely the OP's DH shouldn't be paying ANYTHING to his ex ?
In this day and age the woman is not entitled to maintenance for herself (she can get a job or claim appropriate benefits) and since her child lives with her for far less than 50% of time she's not entitled to child support payments.
As someone's already pointed out, the ex should be paying child support to the DH !
The 13 year old can easily verify her residency situation to the authorities so what lies are being told by the ex that are so difficult to disprove?
If DH and his daughter aren't refuting the lies because e.g. they're being emotionally blackmailed by the ex then I do understand why OP is tearing her hair out. If they won't support her then she and her own child are best off out of the marriage.

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:32

Blueskieslookingatme · 03/11/2024 09:30

What am I failing to understand here? Happy to be educated.
Surely the OP's DH shouldn't be paying ANYTHING to his ex ?
In this day and age the woman is not entitled to maintenance for herself (she can get a job or claim appropriate benefits) and since her child lives with her for far less than 50% of time she's not entitled to child support payments.
As someone's already pointed out, the ex should be paying child support to the DH !
The 13 year old can easily verify her residency situation to the authorities so what lies are being told by the ex that are so difficult to disprove?
If DH and his daughter aren't refuting the lies because e.g. they're being emotionally blackmailed by the ex then I do understand why OP is tearing her hair out. If they won't support her then she and her own child are best off out of the marriage.

Yes, you are correct. However, the maintenance service believes the mother defacto and we haven’t gone to court so they are saying the only way they will believe us is a court order. Otherwise they just believe the mother. Honestly, the truth is stranger than fiction and i wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t happening in front of my eyes.

OP posts:
GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:35

The maintenance is only the latest issue. Once that’s sorted it will be back to harassment, texts, emails all manner of things. I’m just so fed up, she’s impacting my mental health and wrecking my marriage.

OP posts:
rainbowstardrops · 03/11/2024 09:38

Well for a start, your husband needs to get his head out of his arse and face this craziness directly!
Of course he should gently tell his son what's happening and of course he should stand up to the ex.
I would make it clear to him that he either stands up for you all, or you'll leave him and his mess of a life.

OptimismvsRealism · 03/11/2024 09:38

GettingToTheCrux · 03/11/2024 09:19

I wish I was making this up, I really do. I’ve never dealt with such an incompetent service in all my life. Makes me angry too as a tax payer that I’m funding this joke of a service.

It just doesn't really make sense as you tell it. He might be hiding some of the details.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 03/11/2024 09:39

You need legal advice. You have evidence of texts etc from her ? Get everything together and see a solicitor. Impartial legal advice will let you see the options you have.
Your husband obviously hasn’t thought that once she gets her own way financially she will escalate to something else.
Legal advice on your own , then take your husband along to listen to the advice, then make a plan.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 03/11/2024 09:44

If CMS need a court order, then get a court order.

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