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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:43

I think the RF should pay corporation, capital gain tax and personal tax, like every other family and company.

I was watching the channel 4 Despatches programme tonight, and was so astounded I
rewound and took notes. Yes, I should get out more! But in case you didn't watch it:

◦	£132 million is to be paid by government (ie tax payers )  to the Royal Family in 2025

◦	The RF also have extensive land estates (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster). 

◦	How the RF make their millions has been kept secret from us and parliament for centuries

◦	Over 5000 of their undeclared properties were discovered by Channel 4 despatches. 

◦	We pay, for example £1.5  million for Dartmoor prison every year, although it’s empty and not usable because of radon gas. We must also pay for any repairs

◦	The RF say they aren’t funded by the tax payer, but channel 4 says that in fact they are, and that they make many millions from us.

◦	Several state schools have to pay the family rent

◦	The family charge us for training our own troops to defend our country on their land. Despite the King being the head of the armed forces, they are cashing in. They refuse to say how much they charge.  They even charge for use of jetties on their shores, eg from where naval vessels set sail

◦	Even the NHS is  not exempt-they say they are “helping the NHS”  . Yes, but it turns out that it is by renting out land eg at Guys and St Thomases for lucrative amounts. All free of corporation tax, naturally, unlike any other company.

◦	Even some local charities and community groups pay them, all the while the RF is promoting them.: “Millions of pounds in rent”, including for MacMillan and Comic relief, of which the former has earned the RF £22 million. 

◦	They have new mining interests, often at odds with environmental campaigners, with potential risks to land, water and animals . 

◦	Many of the homes they rent out are amongst the lowest 14% in the uk in  terms of condition eg mould, cracks, no insulation. They say it “may not be feasible” to comply with UK environmental legislation, even though all other landlords must.

All whilst exempt from the corporation or capital gains tax paid by every other company. They pay some income tax, but they won’t divulge details.

The greed is shocking and breathtaking. I don’t want to hear another word on helping the environment, fixing the climate or eradicating homelessness from their mouths.

No wonder they are so astoundingly, breathtakingly rich.

I think this programme will become a big talking point in coming days.

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FlingFlong · 02/11/2024 21:46

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username7891 · 02/11/2024 21:46

They're unelected billionaires who are above the law, don't pay tax and influence policy. It's tradition innit.

DinoDansMum · 02/11/2024 21:48

Absolutely enraged watching this. As we approach another Rembrance Sunday I can't help but think this makes a mockery out of those who have given their lives or had them destroyed for King and Country.

ladykale · 02/11/2024 21:50

It's outrageous but the average Brit loves the royal family and is indoctrinated to do so from a young age

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:53

They may, but they now know more about them than they did!

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3peassuit · 02/11/2024 21:53

This was quite an eye opener. I can see no good reason for not paying corporation tax on what is an obvious commercial enterprise.

Runskiyoga · 02/11/2024 21:54

The self serving nature of them defining the duchys as businesses/not businesses depending on the context is ugly (avoiding tax, regulation, oversight)

NonComm · 02/11/2024 22:25

I think that the writing is on the wall for them. It's all gone to shit since QE11 passed away.

JMSA · 02/11/2024 22:35

YANBU.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 10:31

This has gone on for a long time. Yes it's definitely self serving.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 03/11/2024 10:37

Funnily enough had a long conversation last night with my ex-navy 85 year old DF who watched this and was absolutely spitting feathers by the end. He's never been a rebel as such, except around his nuclear veteran status, but the words "outdated concept" "feudal society" and "republic" all featured in the narrative. And despite having a mild fondness for history, pomp and circumstance in a theatrical way, I have to say this apple ain't falling far from the tree.

SalviaDivinorum · 03/11/2024 10:39

They also manage to wriggle out of legislation that would harm their interests. The late Queen was good at that.

I've never understood the love for the RF. They live off the rest of us and we are supposed to be grateful.

Keepingongoing · 03/11/2024 10:49

The RF are a survival of feudalism, the political system that dates back to 1066, and their exceptional financial position reflects that.

I have no animosity towards them on a personal level but they’re endlessly congratulated for their ‘service’ to the country - but the Crown is rewarded for this excessively, by huge tax breaks and other exemptions .

It always seems to me that they are engaged in a lifelong cosplay of feudalism which is willingly supported by the establishment and many of us worker bees.

JudyKing · 03/11/2024 10:49

I loathe the RF, they’re outdated and need to fuck off. You’d never catch me bowing and scraping to them, they’re just people after all 🤷‍♀️

SerendipityJane · 03/11/2024 10:53

ladykale · 02/11/2024 21:50

It's outrageous but the average Brit loves the royal family and is indoctrinated to do so from a young age

Speak for yourself.

MrTwatchester · 03/11/2024 10:54

It's hilarious how thoroughly British people fell for the 20th century rebranding of these feudal landlords as public servants. How many other public servants live in palaces and have a coterie of actual servants catering to their every whim?

The idea that glad-handing fawning crowds after a pleasant flight on a private jet is in any way a useful service is bananas, but God save their graciousnesses, eh?

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/11/2024 11:00

Yes @Keepingongoing the detail in that article is scandalous really. If they pay any tax voluntarily, then they shouldn't mind a law change, should they? I agree both the Duchies should be collapsed into the Crown estate.

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pinotgrigeeeeo · 03/11/2024 11:04

I didn't see it but am going to watch it as soon as I get a chance.

I didn't know all the above detail but suspected it was along those lines.

If what you have stated above is all factually correct and able to be proved then I very much hope that that is the writing on the wall for them.

Making money from charities and renting out sub standard properties are the worse ones for me.

What an absolute shitshow.

MoreNotLess · 03/11/2024 11:08

I didn't watch the documentary as I was worried my head would explode with anger. They are so self serving and all the people around them seem to encourage them.

The fact that the Royal family give out 'honors' means lots of people in power such as politicians suck up to them. I mentioned the fact that John Major and The Queen changed the law so that there is no longer any IHT payable on any money that is left from one sovereign to another. That's a joke isn't it. John Major was knighted afterwards. Other than that what possible benefit was that to anyone in the country.

They are extremely greedy and twisted people. Unfortunately everyone around them probably fuels their egos and encourages them to believe they deserve more money. Prince William talking about ending homelessness is a joke. How can anyone be that stupid that they don't realise how they look.

Anyone with the teeniest bit of social awareness would make changes to bring their funding and wealth more in line with something reasonable. They could still be ridiculously wealthy.

Unfortunately the newspapers and tv channels are in their pockets too. Most BBC director generals end up getting Knighted.

The links between the armed forces and the Royal family is also ridiculous and so outdated. How can that be right in a modern society.

Silvertulips · 03/11/2024 11:08

They use trusts.

Anyone can access a trust.

You can set out the terms of the trust and what gets paid out.

I mean Charles would have had to pay 40% capital gains - bit as it’s all in trust it get passed over to him. He doesn’t own any of it.

thepariscrimefiles · 03/11/2024 11:12

The sheer hypocricy revealed about their stance on environmental issues and climate change was shocking.

The state of the homes that people are renting from the Duchy of Cornwall was disgusting. The Duchy is a slum landlord renting out unheated homes with mould and damp.

MoreNotLess · 03/11/2024 11:14

SalviaDivinorum · 03/11/2024 10:39

They also manage to wriggle out of legislation that would harm their interests. The late Queen was good at that.

I've never understood the love for the RF. They live off the rest of us and we are supposed to be grateful.

This includes legislation that is in place to protect the environment. Again, it was the Queen who lobbied to get these excemptions.

It's easy to find information on this but here is a Guardian Article

The Royal family are exempt from all sorts of legislation. Here are some the King is excerpt from
Why is this allowed? Why would HE allow it.

user1467300911 · 03/11/2024 11:16

There needs to be complete financial transparency. They need to pay their taxes just like everyone else.

Their remuneration for the value that they add (if there really is any) should be decided by citizens.

If they really cared about the environment or homelessness, the royal family have vast resources at their fingertips, way beyond that of any of the charities trying to make progress in these areas.

MoreNotLess · 03/11/2024 11:18

Silvertulips · 03/11/2024 11:08

They use trusts.

Anyone can access a trust.

You can set out the terms of the trust and what gets paid out.

I mean Charles would have had to pay 40% capital gains - bit as it’s all in trust it get passed over to him. He doesn’t own any of it.

Estates left from one Sovereign to another sovereign are EXCEMPT from inheritance tax, they don't need to use trusts. There are still lots of associated costs and liabilities with trusts and the Royal family clearly don't won't to bother with that type of thing. This is since 1993. It's not some long standing weird law. This was a recent chance made by The Queen.

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