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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:43

I think the RF should pay corporation, capital gain tax and personal tax, like every other family and company.

I was watching the channel 4 Despatches programme tonight, and was so astounded I
rewound and took notes. Yes, I should get out more! But in case you didn't watch it:

◦	£132 million is to be paid by government (ie tax payers )  to the Royal Family in 2025

◦	The RF also have extensive land estates (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster). 

◦	How the RF make their millions has been kept secret from us and parliament for centuries

◦	Over 5000 of their undeclared properties were discovered by Channel 4 despatches. 

◦	We pay, for example £1.5  million for Dartmoor prison every year, although it’s empty and not usable because of radon gas. We must also pay for any repairs

◦	The RF say they aren’t funded by the tax payer, but channel 4 says that in fact they are, and that they make many millions from us.

◦	Several state schools have to pay the family rent

◦	The family charge us for training our own troops to defend our country on their land. Despite the King being the head of the armed forces, they are cashing in. They refuse to say how much they charge.  They even charge for use of jetties on their shores, eg from where naval vessels set sail

◦	Even the NHS is  not exempt-they say they are “helping the NHS”  . Yes, but it turns out that it is by renting out land eg at Guys and St Thomases for lucrative amounts. All free of corporation tax, naturally, unlike any other company.

◦	Even some local charities and community groups pay them, all the while the RF is promoting them.: “Millions of pounds in rent”, including for MacMillan and Comic relief, of which the former has earned the RF £22 million. 

◦	They have new mining interests, often at odds with environmental campaigners, with potential risks to land, water and animals . 

◦	Many of the homes they rent out are amongst the lowest 14% in the uk in  terms of condition eg mould, cracks, no insulation. They say it “may not be feasible” to comply with UK environmental legislation, even though all other landlords must.

All whilst exempt from the corporation or capital gains tax paid by every other company. They pay some income tax, but they won’t divulge details.

The greed is shocking and breathtaking. I don’t want to hear another word on helping the environment, fixing the climate or eradicating homelessness from their mouths.

No wonder they are so astoundingly, breathtakingly rich.

I think this programme will become a big talking point in coming days.

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StoneofDestiny · 05/11/2024 18:36

We don't need a Royal Family. Ridiculous we have these fully dysfunctional work skivers leeching off the rest of us.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 18:41

Charles and William own profit driven businesses ( including ripping off charities and the NHS ) but pay no corporation tax and no capital gains tax
Why ?

Because Charles says so ?

Not good enough .
The duchys should be included in the crown estate ( as was intended in 1870s) and Charles and William should be paying ALL their taxes .
Its the least they can do . And if they do pay up it’s only because of these investigations.
They were quite happy to be slumlords and charge the charities they are patron of such high rent that the charity had to move.”, as long as the public were unaware

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 18:54

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 17:19

Who knows what % of our individual taxes and charitable contributions they have creamed off via their charges of eg £11 million to the nhs or overcharging macmillan - that’s too complex a calculation and us plebs have had these practices hidden from us to date. Add that to the millions upon millions of avoided CGT and IHT, oooh I don’t know - can you work it out, can anyone?

But the short answer to how much we each pay per year to support this morally bankrupt billionaire familiy is too much, much too much.

It is in the opening post 132 million for one year divided by the number of people in the country. So there is a clear amount per person. So it is not too much too much. Of course not everyone pays in the £1.29 as not everyone pay taxes and is on benefits but that is a different story.

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 18:56

Ukisgaslit
They were quite happy to be slumlords and charge the charities they are patron of such high rent that the charity had to move.”, as long as the public were unaware

The Duchy of Cornwall said it has no control over charity sub-tenants at Camelford House, nor the rent charged to them.

Thames Water has been the building’s landlord since 2013 and said its rents are competitive and set against market value.

All three charities said their rent and service charges at Camelford House were set by the landlord and that they had no direct rent negotiations with the duchy.

Macmillan said the rent amounts it paid reflected inflation and increased office space let to it between 2005 and 2024, before relocating to the South Bank in London.

A spokesperson said: “With more people choosing to work from home, we no longer had a need for the size of space we had at Camelford House.

https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/major-charities-left-royal-estate-building-after-paying-millions-in-rent-probe-finds.html

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 18:59

£125 million is only the sovereign grant .

It is not the complete picture .
It is extremely difficult to access financial matters re the royals- as the dispatches programme showed . The total is closer to 500 million per year in cost to the tax payer .
This does not included the money we knew they were taking from the Duchys . Now we know more about how they get it

Then there is the unpaid tax .

We can’t afford them .
We definitely can’t afford them to be above the law and excluding themselves from the tax laws the rest of us follow

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 19:02

Are you new to this @Clavinova ?

The royals are always ‘unaware’

The queen said the same thing when it was revealed she had money in offshore accounts

They seem to be permanently’ working ‘ and yet permanently’unaware’

Illneverutteracrosswordagain7 · 05/11/2024 19:03

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 19:02

Are you new to this @Clavinova ?

The royals are always ‘unaware’

The queen said the same thing when it was revealed she had money in offshore accounts

They seem to be permanently’ working ‘ and yet permanently’unaware’

Edited

As well as "deeply sad" 😆

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 19:19

foodbanknamechange
king and queen going around a foodbank, to see what it's like! How are Brits not up in arms about this??! The ACTUAL king and queen! Visiting a FOODBANK, to see! I think some Brits are now blind to just how backwards that is

The King seems quite forward-thinking to me;

December 2022
King's donation to help supply hundreds of food banks with fridges and freezers.

The £1 million starting fund includes a “substantial personal donation” from Charles, a grant from The Prince of Wales’s Charitable Fund and donations from a range of funders, the Felix Project said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/funds-louise-casey-asian-london-fareshare-b2237389.html

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 19:23

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 19:02

Are you new to this @Clavinova ?

The royals are always ‘unaware’

The queen said the same thing when it was revealed she had money in offshore accounts

They seem to be permanently’ working ‘ and yet permanently’unaware’

Edited

I thought you were new - at least your username is new.

Are you a regular anti-monarchy poster incognito?

BustingBaoBun · 05/11/2024 19:33

King's donation to help supply hundreds of food banks with fridges and freezers

Big deal. He's a billionaire twice over so that means very little. Given the Dispatches programme and their secrecy regarding their eye watering wealth, at the expense of us.

GettingStuffed · 05/11/2024 19:36

Everyone in the UK should pay the same tax, before it's shipped overseas

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 19:58

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 18:54

It is in the opening post 132 million for one year divided by the number of people in the country. So there is a clear amount per person. So it is not too much too much. Of course not everyone pays in the £1.29 as not everyone pay taxes and is on benefits but that is a different story.

Those figures are an absolute fudge and don’t include the half of it. I refer you to @Ukisgaslit’s much more accurate summary below.

People just aren’t buying these lies any more. Charles et al are going to have to respond to the revelations in the Dispatches documentary - it’s not just going to fizzle out like they hope it will - they have gone too far in their avarice and sharp practices.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 19:59

@Clavinova
”Are you a regular anti-monarchy poster incognito?’

What an odd question
Do you keep a list of ‘anti monarchy ‘ posters?

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 20:11

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 19:59

@Clavinova
”Are you a regular anti-monarchy poster incognito?’

What an odd question
Do you keep a list of ‘anti monarchy ‘ posters?

My question was not odd at all. You asked me if I was 'new to this' - I asked if you were a regular.

Do you keep a list of ‘anti monarchy ‘ posters?

No - I'm a casual observer.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 20:13

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 18:29

I really don’t care and I am not a dying Royalist. My point of view if that of a foreign person who think you are making a big mistake. Have had conversations around this subject with friends who like me live here but are from abroad. The U.K. is making very big mistakes and every time you will become more and more irrelevant. Your lost not mine. I have never known people from a country that hates themselves or their country so much. It is weird. Hope you get your republican dream somehow.
My point was also about all the stuff people are saying here without links or proof.

Edited

Part of the reason why we as a country have fallen behind so badly in living standards etc from many other wealthy countries is our obsession with living off past glories (including the Monarchy) "We won the War" 80 years ago, ignoring the fact that both Germany and Japan have moved on.'We used to have an Empire'. This nonsense was partly the rationale for Brexit- people who thought we were the same country we were 100 years ago. If all we have as a country is that we keep a not that special, bright or interesting family to gawp at, then that's not much. We should be more than that. Other countries, even ones with Monarchies are more than this. Why is that? It must be down to the Windsors and the sycophants in this country that this is all they think we are worth.

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 20:25

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 18:59

£125 million is only the sovereign grant .

It is not the complete picture .
It is extremely difficult to access financial matters re the royals- as the dispatches programme showed . The total is closer to 500 million per year in cost to the tax payer .
This does not included the money we knew they were taking from the Duchys . Now we know more about how they get it

Then there is the unpaid tax .

We can’t afford them .
We definitely can’t afford them to be above the law and excluding themselves from the tax laws the rest of us follow

This does not included the money we knew they were taking from the Duchys

Are you sure?

The anti-monarchy group's £510m total also includes "lost income" to taxpayers.

This includes £99m from the property businesses of the duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall, with the report saying that should go to the public purse, rather than funding the King and the Prince of Wales.

A further £96m could be raised in revenue from royal residences if they were used for commercial purposes, claims the report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxr2pk997no#:~:text=The%20real%20cost%20of%20the,%2D%20anti%2Dmonarchy%20campaigners%20cla

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 20:30

Seasmoke
Part of the reason why we as a country have fallen behind so badly in living standards etc from many other wealthy countries is our obsession with living off past glories (including the Monarchy)

And yet, my linked article up thread (the Guardian) also says this;

Macron is also keen to use the backdrops of French palaces, the bricks and mortar that convey power. When he held talks with Trump in his golden, gilded office at the Élysée or drove the Russian leader Vladimir Putin around the grounds of the sumptuous Palace of Versailles in an electric golf car, he was sending a message about the grandeur of France, his own leadership and his drive to boost French standing in the world.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 20:39

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 20:30

Seasmoke
Part of the reason why we as a country have fallen behind so badly in living standards etc from many other wealthy countries is our obsession with living off past glories (including the Monarchy)

And yet, my linked article up thread (the Guardian) also says this;

Macron is also keen to use the backdrops of French palaces, the bricks and mortar that convey power. When he held talks with Trump in his golden, gilded office at the Élysée or drove the Russian leader Vladimir Putin around the grounds of the sumptuous Palace of Versailles in an electric golf car, he was sending a message about the grandeur of France, his own leadership and his drive to boost French standing in the world.

Yes. They still exist, belong to the French and they can go into their palaces, even though they dont have a RF. Macron does not get to keep them for life and make sure only his family get to see them and live in them.

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 21:01

Seasmoke
"We won the War" 80 years ago, ignoring the fact that both Germany and Japan have moved on.

Doesn't Emperor Naruhito live in a palace? I see that Germany isn't short of official residencies either - yet another palace;

https://www.bundespraesident.de/EN/role-and-functions/official-residences/official-residences_node.html

TheCanaryInThePurpleSkirt · 05/11/2024 21:07

I won’t watch it. They disgust me.

Appalling privilege.

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 21:12

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 20:39

Yes. They still exist, belong to the French and they can go into their palaces, even though they dont have a RF. Macron does not get to keep them for life and make sure only his family get to see them and live in them.

https://www.royal.uk/summer-opening-at-buckingham-palace
https://www.rct.uk/visit/buckingham-palace
https://sandringhamestate.co.uk/during-your-visit/
https://www.rct.uk/visit/windsor-castle

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 21:20

Tell you what @dottiehens I would like every family in tbe UK to give my family £1.29 a year in exchange for a few walkabouts. Hell, I will even do it for half that. How about it?

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 21:29

AuxArmesCitoyens

Do you live in the UK?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 23:47

How nosy you are @Clavinova - you’re asking pps if they are previous anti royalist posters, where they live and all sorts. It’s creepy. Can’t you stick to the debate rather than trying to needle out personal information?

Babadookinthewardrobe · 05/11/2024 23:49

What’s your agenda with the personal info @Clavinova - your “curiosity” is concerning.