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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:43

I think the RF should pay corporation, capital gain tax and personal tax, like every other family and company.

I was watching the channel 4 Despatches programme tonight, and was so astounded I
rewound and took notes. Yes, I should get out more! But in case you didn't watch it:

◦	£132 million is to be paid by government (ie tax payers )  to the Royal Family in 2025

◦	The RF also have extensive land estates (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster). 

◦	How the RF make their millions has been kept secret from us and parliament for centuries

◦	Over 5000 of their undeclared properties were discovered by Channel 4 despatches. 

◦	We pay, for example £1.5  million for Dartmoor prison every year, although it’s empty and not usable because of radon gas. We must also pay for any repairs

◦	The RF say they aren’t funded by the tax payer, but channel 4 says that in fact they are, and that they make many millions from us.

◦	Several state schools have to pay the family rent

◦	The family charge us for training our own troops to defend our country on their land. Despite the King being the head of the armed forces, they are cashing in. They refuse to say how much they charge.  They even charge for use of jetties on their shores, eg from where naval vessels set sail

◦	Even the NHS is  not exempt-they say they are “helping the NHS”  . Yes, but it turns out that it is by renting out land eg at Guys and St Thomases for lucrative amounts. All free of corporation tax, naturally, unlike any other company.

◦	Even some local charities and community groups pay them, all the while the RF is promoting them.: “Millions of pounds in rent”, including for MacMillan and Comic relief, of which the former has earned the RF £22 million. 

◦	They have new mining interests, often at odds with environmental campaigners, with potential risks to land, water and animals . 

◦	Many of the homes they rent out are amongst the lowest 14% in the uk in  terms of condition eg mould, cracks, no insulation. They say it “may not be feasible” to comply with UK environmental legislation, even though all other landlords must.

All whilst exempt from the corporation or capital gains tax paid by every other company. They pay some income tax, but they won’t divulge details.

The greed is shocking and breathtaking. I don’t want to hear another word on helping the environment, fixing the climate or eradicating homelessness from their mouths.

No wonder they are so astoundingly, breathtakingly rich.

I think this programme will become a big talking point in coming days.

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Clavinova · 05/11/2024 12:57

MrTwatchester · 05/11/2024 12:54

What we want is to be able to bloody choose the head of state, instead of being lumbered with whoever happened to thunder out of the previous dude's cock.

Well, I don't think much of the alternative suggestions so far.

MrTwatchester · 05/11/2024 13:13

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 12:57

Well, I don't think much of the alternative suggestions so far.

No-one made any suggestions, you just piled in with the usual royalist straw men.

It's completely irrelevant how nice the official residences of other heads of state are, since they don't get to live in them forever and not pay taxes. Neither do their offspring, parents, assorted siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles.

Even if you support the idea of a monarch as head of state, what possible justification is there for the whole extended family to be on the gravy train?

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 13:56

MrTwatchester ·
They just need to stop us realising it, before they go the way of the Romanovs

I suppose some people might think Vladimir Putin is an improvement - he's not my cup of tea.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:00

What on earth had Putin got to do with Charles and William ripping off the NHS and being slumlords ?

Ridiculous

But I do sympathise- it is impossible to argue in the Windsor’s favour these days so we get this illogical nonsense repeated

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 14:20

Ukisgaslit
slumlords

Out of interest, has that Labour MP been sacked yet?

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:29

Deflection again

It won’t work
This isn’t going away

Charles and William pay your taxes and stop ripping off charities, the NHS and the RNlI among many others !

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:32

Charging volunteers ( not everyone is a greedy sociopath) who cross ‘their’ beach in order to save lives at sea is one outrage that resonates so deeply . . There’s so many - NHS and Marie Curie etc but there’s something about l ripping off RNLI that just takes the biscuit .
They don’t have any shame

KimberleyClark · 05/11/2024 14:35

NonComm · 02/11/2024 22:25

I think that the writing is on the wall for them. It's all gone to shit since QE11 passed away.

You are very naive if you think all of this was not happening before she died.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:44

Elizabeth set most of this rip off up !
She lobbied for years to get the civil list replaced with the sovereign grant ! She refused to pay any tax until she was forced to ( think 40 years into her reign ) - and that was ‘voluntary ‘ and only a fraction of what she owed .
She got her money offshore in tax havens - look up Panama papers

The only reason she got away with so much in my opinion was that social
media didn’t exist .
Only old white men now on offer from the Windsors and yes - it’s over they just don’t realise yet .
Now about those back taxes mr Windsor …

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:46

Edited because I’d remembered the term ‘Panama papers’

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 14:53

Clavinova · 04/11/2024 20:33

France might be a republic but they haven't given up the bling - Macron lives in a palace;

in the Salon Doré — the gilded “golden” study where French presidents make the finishing touches to their speeches...

A butler in a white bow tie loudly announced: “The president of the Republic!”, advisers hastily stood up, and the [then] 39-year-old Macron appeared – almost regally – from the patio doors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/29/inside-the-elysee-the-reflected-glory-of-macrons-gilded-cage

I suppose Keir Starmer would have to move into one of the palaces - he'd like that.

Will we have to shell out cash to Keir Starmers ( or Macrons) brother , sister, uncles, aunts, great uncles, great aunts, children and grandchildren on the off chance they turn up to a sporting event and pretend it's work? There is a difference between being able to elect politicians that you can chuck out and having a family imposed on you taking people for fools, pretending they do so much for charity when much of the money the charity raises goes straight back to them, or impose leases on tenants that involve the tenants being responsible for all repairs, or issuing PR puff pieces about how they are ' happy to help' the ambulance service when really, they have ' given' them a warehouse and slapped an increased rent on them. And then the people who are supposed to be holding truth to power and acting on behalf of the citizens of this country-the press- tabloids, Parliament, even the courts- just roll over and do their bidding.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 14:56

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:44

Elizabeth set most of this rip off up !
She lobbied for years to get the civil list replaced with the sovereign grant ! She refused to pay any tax until she was forced to ( think 40 years into her reign ) - and that was ‘voluntary ‘ and only a fraction of what she owed .
She got her money offshore in tax havens - look up Panama papers

The only reason she got away with so much in my opinion was that social
media didn’t exist .
Only old white men now on offer from the Windsors and yes - it’s over they just don’t realise yet .
Now about those back taxes mr Windsor …

Edited

She also tried to claim a Covid payment for heating. Can you imagine anyone having the barefaced cheek to try that? Shows what she really thinks of us. Their 'service' is purely done to ensure their own survival.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 15:00

LadyKenya · 04/11/2024 14:34

It really is scandalous, but I can predict that nothing will be done about any of it, and the palace pr machine will be in full flow shortly.

They've already put out puff pieces reminding us that Charles and Kate have cancer.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:03

@Seasmoke
Yes ! Trying to claim from the pot set aside to help the poor with heating . Unbelievable.

Well Charles is a chop off the old block - and I suspect William is worse

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 15:06

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 14:32

Charging volunteers ( not everyone is a greedy sociopath) who cross ‘their’ beach in order to save lives at sea is one outrage that resonates so deeply . . There’s so many - NHS and Marie Curie etc but there’s something about l ripping off RNLI that just takes the biscuit .
They don’t have any shame

Apparently the beach charge is £100 per site per year.
I am much more concerned about the £100 penalty charges per visit in local car parks - that's a rip-off which needs to be dealt with.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 15:07

Instead William has reversed his father’s practice of publishing ( limited) accounts . William decided not to publish the accounts at all.

Apparently because he's 'still learning '. Was it a surprise to him when he became PoW? Was he too busy with the school run to learn anything at all about his future role? Charles iis an old man What comes after him will be worse- a lazy entitled and Apparently greedy man who can't even be bothered to do more than spout platitudes which Royalists lap up.

Seasmoke · 05/11/2024 15:09

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 15:06

Apparently the beach charge is £100 per site per year.
I am much more concerned about the £100 penalty charges per visit in local car parks - that's a rip-off which needs to be dealt with.

If it's so low, why are they charging it? How many sites are there? Presume it's every single lifeboat site, since they bizarrely own the seabed! They don't need the money. Charities do.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:09

I think the puff pieces are now compounding the problem . We can see the cynical manipulation.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:11

@Clavinova
You are making it worse !

Why in gods name are the greedy Windsors collecting the money off the RNLI of its so small ! It’s almost worse

KimberleyClark · 05/11/2024 15:11

They are leeches.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:13

Sorry cross post

And yes - the royal pr is always a partial explanation never the whole truth . So I suspect it is not just one RNLI launch being charged .

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 15:13

Seasmoke
Will we have to shell out cash to Keir Starmers (or Macrons) brother, sister, uncles, aunts, great uncles, great aunts, children and grandchildren on the off chance they turn up to a sporting event and pretend it's work?

If Keir Starmer ups his popularity ratings to match Charles, William and Catherine I will consider it!

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:15

Now the bought and paid for polls being held up as an example

Look at the crowds
Tumbleweed .
The only poll I’m interested in is a question on a ballot paper
I will assume your support on this

EatTheBastard · 05/11/2024 15:16

I’ve added this to the other two threads running in the royal family section

if you want to discover how you can take meaningful action, check out the active Republic campaigns running
https://www.republic.org.uk/half_billion_royals
https://www.republic.org.uk/royal_secrets
https://www.republic.org.uk/events
https://www.republic.org.uk/get_involved

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 15:17

Thank you @EatTheBastard
I avoid the ‘royals’ boards

These issues should be on the main board .