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To think the royal family should pay proper tax?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/11/2024 21:43

I think the RF should pay corporation, capital gain tax and personal tax, like every other family and company.

I was watching the channel 4 Despatches programme tonight, and was so astounded I
rewound and took notes. Yes, I should get out more! But in case you didn't watch it:

◦	£132 million is to be paid by government (ie tax payers )  to the Royal Family in 2025

◦	The RF also have extensive land estates (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster). 

◦	How the RF make their millions has been kept secret from us and parliament for centuries

◦	Over 5000 of their undeclared properties were discovered by Channel 4 despatches. 

◦	We pay, for example £1.5  million for Dartmoor prison every year, although it’s empty and not usable because of radon gas. We must also pay for any repairs

◦	The RF say they aren’t funded by the tax payer, but channel 4 says that in fact they are, and that they make many millions from us.

◦	Several state schools have to pay the family rent

◦	The family charge us for training our own troops to defend our country on their land. Despite the King being the head of the armed forces, they are cashing in. They refuse to say how much they charge.  They even charge for use of jetties on their shores, eg from where naval vessels set sail

◦	Even the NHS is  not exempt-they say they are “helping the NHS”  . Yes, but it turns out that it is by renting out land eg at Guys and St Thomases for lucrative amounts. All free of corporation tax, naturally, unlike any other company.

◦	Even some local charities and community groups pay them, all the while the RF is promoting them.: “Millions of pounds in rent”, including for MacMillan and Comic relief, of which the former has earned the RF £22 million. 

◦	They have new mining interests, often at odds with environmental campaigners, with potential risks to land, water and animals . 

◦	Many of the homes they rent out are amongst the lowest 14% in the uk in  terms of condition eg mould, cracks, no insulation. They say it “may not be feasible” to comply with UK environmental legislation, even though all other landlords must.

All whilst exempt from the corporation or capital gains tax paid by every other company. They pay some income tax, but they won’t divulge details.

The greed is shocking and breathtaking. I don’t want to hear another word on helping the environment, fixing the climate or eradicating homelessness from their mouths.

No wonder they are so astoundingly, breathtakingly rich.

I think this programme will become a big talking point in coming days.

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Chocksquare · 04/11/2024 13:46

I’ve always liked the Royal Family, but this story about their substandard rental properties while putting out glossy stories of their support for homeless communities just says it all. I think my rose tinted glasses have just fallen off. No one should have to live like that.

Spectre8 · 04/11/2024 14:11

Ukisgaslit · 04/11/2024 08:33

I’d like to make one further point .
We all know that , despite the name , the Crown estates belong to the public . They were handed over in 1760 I think in exchange for bailing out a bankrupt king .

The Duchys were not handed over along with all the rest of the holdings as they were overlooked due to being almost worthless at the time .
There was an attempt by the Treasury 1897 to correct this anomaly and have the Duchys moved to the crown estates .
( thanks to Norman Baker for refreshing my memory on this on LBC )
Clearly this now needs to done as a matter of urgency .

If the Windsors had an ounce of genuine feeling or even the intelligence to see where this is going they would offer to do this themselves , voluntarily .
Instead William has reversed his father’s practice of publishing ( limited) accounts . William decided not to publish the accounts at all.

Well he has e kids to fund now oops I mean we now have 3 kids to fund

Tara336 · 04/11/2024 14:14

I have no issue with the Royal Family but should they pay tax? Absolutely!

the80sweregreat · 04/11/2024 14:20

I'm just watching this on more 4 catch up
The figures quoted are eye watering
It's been done with the help of the Sunday Times , not a paper that usually has much beef with the royals ( so I gather ?)
Clearly does now

LadyKenya · 04/11/2024 14:29

OonaStubbs · 03/11/2024 20:22

Politicians are far worse than the Royals. FAR worse.

Not that I agree with your post, but at least the Politicians can be voted out. The time has come to have a referendum on whether we should continue to have a rf, I believe.

LadyKenya · 04/11/2024 14:34

Green777 · 04/11/2024 00:12

I was shocked to find how many millions they make from charities, renting spaces out to the NHS and Stare schools,

It really is scandalous, but I can predict that nothing will be done about any of it, and the palace pr machine will be in full flow shortly.

Tittat50 · 04/11/2024 14:39

@ladykale I think your point is correct.
When my child was at primary, the nonsense over the coronation really irked me. I am incredibly unpopular when I express my dislike. I was the only one.

Was it sad when the Queen died? Of course. I'm more sad for the old grannie dying alone care of our underfunded NHS. Of course, no one agreed and I had to learn to stop speaking.

I joined Republic.org some years ago and they've been onto this corruption for some time.

https://www.republic.org.uk/

I'd like to get rid of the lot of them. Saville's best mate Charles and every one of his spawn can go.

If we retained the properties and opened all of them up to tourism I'd be good with that.

JT69 · 04/11/2024 14:42

It took several attempts to get this programme aired and some of the content had to be cut . Imagine what ended up on the cutting room floor ….

The numbers are mind blowing.

Bixterret · 04/11/2024 17:42

@NurseButtercup

Thanks for that

Bixterret · 04/11/2024 19:26

Perhaps it's time for a referendum on the Royal Family. Do we think it's outdated and needs to go. It's so outdated and the world is a different place now.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 04/11/2024 19:30

YANBU at all. I watched the documentary. Their behaviour is vile. A king is supposed to show love and care for his people and his country, that is one of reasons he is afforded his position of privilege. Charles has done the opposite and treated the country and its institutions as nothing more than cash cows. He is contemptible.

Clavinova · 04/11/2024 20:33

Coffeetostart · 03/11/2024 20:31

Time to dissemble Royal family and be as French say “Viva a la Republique”.

But I bet I’m in the minority.

France might be a republic but they haven't given up the bling - Macron lives in a palace;

in the Salon Doré — the gilded “golden” study where French presidents make the finishing touches to their speeches...

A butler in a white bow tie loudly announced: “The president of the Republic!”, advisers hastily stood up, and the [then] 39-year-old Macron appeared – almost regally – from the patio doors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/29/inside-the-elysee-the-reflected-glory-of-macrons-gilded-cage

I suppose Keir Starmer would have to move into one of the palaces - he'd like that.

MrTwatchester · 04/11/2024 21:32

Clavinova · 04/11/2024 20:33

France might be a republic but they haven't given up the bling - Macron lives in a palace;

in the Salon Doré — the gilded “golden” study where French presidents make the finishing touches to their speeches...

A butler in a white bow tie loudly announced: “The president of the Republic!”, advisers hastily stood up, and the [then] 39-year-old Macron appeared – almost regally – from the patio doors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/29/inside-the-elysee-the-reflected-glory-of-macrons-gilded-cage

I suppose Keir Starmer would have to move into one of the palaces - he'd like that.

Keir Starmer is the PM, France also has a PM, separate from the President.

There are plenty of countries where the President is not treated like a king, it's a weak argument against dismantling the monarchy.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 07:18

The ex president of Uruguay famously lived on a farm and gives away most of his salary.

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 08:27

The weak arguments royalists keep wheeling out when yet ANOTHER royal scandal is revealed are embarrassing

No, having a president as head of state does not mean a dictator / Boris .
The USA , France , etc all have different political systems from the UK - learn the difference before you try to defend the indefensible ( the royals) with that argument

Many countries have a figurehead president. The European monarchies which are frequently pointed to to by royalists wouldn’t even dare have a coronation AND their monarchs pledge allegiance to parliament and the people
The royals take us for fools

I have rarely seen such unanimity on an issue as this scandal . Yes the fuss will die down but people won’t forget .
Ask your MP about this - oh wait - are MPs even allowed to debate the royals ?
They aren’t by the way
‘convention’ dictates this . They could dedate the royals before the 18th century but not since . The reason ? ‘Convention’ The real reason? To protect the royals

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 09:28

Re president/ head of state - there is nothing to stop us having a Windsot as head of state.
They would be treated as any other citizen of course . And all buildings / treasures etc would belong to the state , as they would anyway if the monarchy was done away with
And they’d be expected to actually work as a president - prepare themselves properly instead of mumbling incoherently, no gaffes / insults / sniggering at people . .

It might help the older royalists cope with the change . I can foresee one problem though - the Windsors wouldn’t do it . Once all the tax and law exemptions stop you wouldn’t see them for dust

MrTwatchester · 05/11/2024 10:03

Ukisgaslit · 05/11/2024 09:28

Re president/ head of state - there is nothing to stop us having a Windsot as head of state.
They would be treated as any other citizen of course . And all buildings / treasures etc would belong to the state , as they would anyway if the monarchy was done away with
And they’d be expected to actually work as a president - prepare themselves properly instead of mumbling incoherently, no gaffes / insults / sniggering at people . .

It might help the older royalists cope with the change . I can foresee one problem though - the Windsors wouldn’t do it . Once all the tax and law exemptions stop you wouldn’t see them for dust

It would pretty quickly become apparent how thick and useless they are if they had to do the diplomatic work of a proper head of state.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 12:37

The residence of José Mujica, president of Uruguay, 2010-2015

Edit: bloody picture didn't post, it's below

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 12:39

Here

To think the royal family should pay proper tax?
Clavinova · 05/11/2024 12:40

Ukisgaslit
Re president/ head of state - there is nothing to stop us having a Windsor as head of state...
And they’d be expected to actually work as a president - prepare themselves properly instead of mumbling incoherently, no gaffes / insults / sniggering at people.

We certainly wouldn't want another Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 12:53

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 12:37

The residence of José Mujica, president of Uruguay, 2010-2015

Edit: bloody picture didn't post, it's below

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That's the guy who was formerly a member of a radical left-wing guerilla group. He stole the equivalent of $100,000 during an armed bank raid, shot and wounded two policemen during another raid (was shot six times himself and six people died during the raid) and spent 14 years in prison where he was tortured.

Are there any reformed IRA terrorists still available if you want to go down that route?

MrTwatchester · 05/11/2024 12:54

Clavinova · 05/11/2024 12:40

Ukisgaslit
Re president/ head of state - there is nothing to stop us having a Windsor as head of state...
And they’d be expected to actually work as a president - prepare themselves properly instead of mumbling incoherently, no gaffes / insults / sniggering at people.

We certainly wouldn't want another Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

What we want is to be able to bloody choose the head of state, instead of being lumbered with whoever happened to thunder out of the previous dude's cock.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 05/11/2024 12:57

He stole the equivalent of $100,000 during an armed bank raid

peanuts compared to the royals, then ;-)

I am not condoning shooting people, just pointing out that not every national leader lives in the lap of luxury as a counter-example to your "look at Macron" as if it was the sole possible alternative.

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