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Too be really fucking angry with people who just let abuse happen- Sara Sharif

530 replies

dinomirror · 01/11/2024 20:01

Reading it now its horrific. People saying we heard screams- and yet did nothing??? How does a person just think that no im not going to report this, most likely because they cant be bothered/ dont want to be involved. Scum of the earth the dad is. The stepmother ( and her sister!) going on and on about how they feel bad etc and dont do anything!

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/11/2024 20:20

Abuse happens in all cultures. Blind eyes are turned in all cultures. Innocent children are hurt and killed in all cultures.

Let us not pretend that this is a purely cultural problem. It is a human problem. And any half-way decent human being will be appalled by it, regardless of their ethnic background.

TheSnugHare · 01/11/2024 20:22

coxesorangepippin · 01/11/2024 20:18

Ethnically British people don’t have this kind of culture,

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Huh????!

It used to be a thing in previous generations but not anymore. If a British person is violent towards their children it’s usually due to mental health or because they are abusive, rather than cultural or religious beliefs. There is nothing in British culture or religion about using violence

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 01/11/2024 20:22

OP sounds like a rabble rouser.

noworklifebalance · 01/11/2024 20:23

dinomirror · 01/11/2024 20:08

Yeah i myself am muslim and 'putting on the quran' whilst a child is being abuse in the next room is horrific. It angers me how some people think quran is a get out of jail free card

This is the issue I have with religions of all types.

Alwaystired23 · 01/11/2024 20:24

It's absolutely horrendous. That poor poor child. I hope they never get out of prison. Evil scum.

dinomirror · 01/11/2024 20:24

coxesorangepippin · 01/11/2024 20:18

Ethnically British people don’t have this kind of culture,

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Huh????!

Honestly, i think what they mean its not ingrained in British culture to hit females. It is totally normal to hit females in ours tho. Its not something that gets talked about enough, because people are scared of being racist, but it is a genuine very large issue

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/11/2024 20:25

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/11/2024 20:18

Have a look at some Home Ed posts and you'll see the rage that some parents feel at the thought that somebody from the council might want to check that their child is OK and actually being educated. It's as though they expect it to be obvious that they 'aren't that sort of parent' and an intention to protect children by contacting the parent is tantamount to deliberate harassment and abuse - even the fact that the previous school is legally obliged to notify the local authority of the decision to withdraw is seen by some as akin to the State still trying to steal their children.

Obviously, not all EHE parents by any stretch - but there are a considerable number and they are extremely vocal in it and would strongly resist any attempt to make monitoring anything other than something to be avoided at all costs.

Cases like this where the previous school can do nothing more because of that legal right to immediately withdraw for EHE are the flip side.

Oh I've seen it before on the home ed threads. Honestly, I don't give a fuck if HE parents are outraged by the idea of welfare checks. If those checks saved even one child from abuse, then it would absolutely be worth pissing off innocent parents who have done nothing wrong.

Parents taking their kids out of school, or declining to send them in the first place, should be treated as a red flag. If the child is thriving, the parents will have nothing to fear from regular welfare checks. If they are resistant to the idea, then you have to wonder what it is that they're trying to hide.

SpoonHeader · 01/11/2024 20:26

dinomirror · 01/11/2024 20:24

Honestly, i think what they mean its not ingrained in British culture to hit females. It is totally normal to hit females in ours tho. Its not something that gets talked about enough, because people are scared of being racist, but it is a genuine very large issue

Where does the attitude about females originate from?

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From what I read the stepmother was very aware it was wrong and messaged her sister about it

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 01/11/2024 20:29

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 01/11/2024 20:14

A similar reason that the Rotheram (and other other) grooming rings were swept under the carpet. I suspect. People are sometimes scared of reporting crime that relates to ethnic minorities.

It's exactly this, clearly nothing is being learnt.
So sick of reading this shit.

goawaynottoday · 01/11/2024 20:29

BlueSilverCats · 01/11/2024 20:12

It's not that baffling if you read threads on here from concerned neighbours ( it can be about anything from drug use, DV, screaming, swearing etc) .

A billion posters will tell OP to mind her own business, stop being nosy, a snitch, a bitch, do not report, it only makes things worse , it's just a snapshot and so on.

100% this.

Every day it's "do not get involved for any reason" even when it's someone talking about their friend's abusive husband.

TwistedWonder · 01/11/2024 20:30

The school did contact social services who decided not to open a case or intervene
despite the school reporting Sara had frequent bruising.

MissyB1 · 01/11/2024 20:32

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/11/2024 20:20

Abuse happens in all cultures. Blind eyes are turned in all cultures. Innocent children are hurt and killed in all cultures.

Let us not pretend that this is a purely cultural problem. It is a human problem. And any half-way decent human being will be appalled by it, regardless of their ethnic background.

100% this!! Shame on the poster saying if a British person abuses their child it's because of "mental health problems" ffs!!

ChefsKisser · 01/11/2024 20:32

BlueSilverCats · 01/11/2024 20:12

It's not that baffling if you read threads on here from concerned neighbours ( it can be about anything from drug use, DV, screaming, swearing etc) .

A billion posters will tell OP to mind her own business, stop being nosy, a snitch, a bitch, do not report, it only makes things worse , it's just a snapshot and so on.

This. The amount of threads on mumsnet where the advice is ‘butt out don’t be involved stay away’ when someone is going to come to physical or emotional harm is baffling to me. There’s being a busybody and getting involved with everything but some people think you shouldn’t ever tell anyone anything ever which is bananas to me.

TwistedWonder · 01/11/2024 20:34

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/11/2024 20:25

Oh I've seen it before on the home ed threads. Honestly, I don't give a fuck if HE parents are outraged by the idea of welfare checks. If those checks saved even one child from abuse, then it would absolutely be worth pissing off innocent parents who have done nothing wrong.

Parents taking their kids out of school, or declining to send them in the first place, should be treated as a red flag. If the child is thriving, the parents will have nothing to fear from regular welfare checks. If they are resistant to the idea, then you have to wonder what it is that they're trying to hide.

Different situation but when my son was a year old he fell off the bed and had a bump on his head. To be on safe side we took him to A&E.
While we were there, the hospital social services came and asked for a chat with us. They had a look at my son, asked us some questions and took our details. They obviously knew that this was just an accident but I had no problem at all with them asking questions

If questioning patents with an injured child catches one kid who’s being abused then it’s absolutely a good thing.

TheSnugHare · 01/11/2024 20:34

MissyB1 · 01/11/2024 20:32

100% this!! Shame on the poster saying if a British person abuses their child it's because of "mental health problems" ffs!!

it happens because of mental health issues or abuse

FumingTRex · 01/11/2024 20:35

I dont believe that the reason people didnt report was anything to do with race or religion. People are reluctant to report full stop. It has nothing to do with race or religion. I was in a situation this week where ridiculous dangerous behaviour was happening that could have seriously injured or killed people, multiple people witnessed it, the only one who rang the police was me.

WhatMothersDo22 · 01/11/2024 20:35

It absolutely breaks my heart and enraged me. Poor, poor child. I am usually a merciful person, but I believe nothing can punish people who abuse children enough. I don’t know if anyone remembers the case of Victoria Aclimbé back in the early 2000s, but it was a similar case. I had to read it for some safe guarding training recently and it’s been on my mind for weeks, some of the details were truly horrific. If we can’t protect children in this day and age, what are we doing 😞. I hope that guy is haunted every day by what he’s done, it’s the least we can hope for.

Itiswhysofew · 01/11/2024 20:40

Anyone who ignores the abuse of a child has failed as a human being.

I've reported many a case of animal cruelty, (not comparing this poor little girl to an animal), and have confronted the people who do it. Surely, the least children can expect is for the adults to take care of them😔

So many kids living dreadful lives.

What a tragedy.

fedup33 · 01/11/2024 20:41

dinomirror · 01/11/2024 20:03

I myself am from a similar ethnic background, and you bet that in many from our community will just brush it off. It makes me angry that because its a child, they are allowed to be beaten

What on earth?????

FloralGums · 01/11/2024 20:42

SpoonHeader · 01/11/2024 20:18

Any family with step parent involvement means abuse is 100 times more likely. I am not necessarily blaming it all on step parents, those are the crime stats.

Agreed. We learnt that in our Child Protection course. It’s also why you are always asked who else lives at home with you when you take a child to A&E.
Interestingly, people have always know it - look at Fairy Tales with all the wicked stepmothers/stepfathers.

fedup33 · 01/11/2024 20:43

ChefsKisser · 01/11/2024 20:32

This. The amount of threads on mumsnet where the advice is ‘butt out don’t be involved stay away’ when someone is going to come to physical or emotional harm is baffling to me. There’s being a busybody and getting involved with everything but some people think you shouldn’t ever tell anyone anything ever which is bananas to me.

I'm old and look pretty harmless. But never underestimate me. I have intervened many times. Looked stupid a few times, don't care.

SpoonHeader · 01/11/2024 20:46

FloralGums · 01/11/2024 20:42

Agreed. We learnt that in our Child Protection course. It’s also why you are always asked who else lives at home with you when you take a child to A&E.
Interestingly, people have always know it - look at Fairy Tales with all the wicked stepmothers/stepfathers.

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They also tell people "Children are resilient", you don't often hear that type of talk in a family that remained intact.

Henry VIII is rumoured to have made sure Jane Seymour said nothing if she couldn't take the sane stance as Ann Bolyn regarding Mary I.

FloralGums · 01/11/2024 20:46

FumingTRex · 01/11/2024 20:35

I dont believe that the reason people didnt report was anything to do with race or religion. People are reluctant to report full stop. It has nothing to do with race or religion. I was in a situation this week where ridiculous dangerous behaviour was happening that could have seriously injured or killed people, multiple people witnessed it, the only one who rang the police was me.

It does have to do with race/religion actually, people can be extra cautious as they are concerned about being racist. There are cases in the past where concerns over racism have led to abuse not being investigated.