Those who believe MN is more leftists, what makes you think so?

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Because to me MN has always come off much more right / conservative.

So, if you can point out what makes it so leftist.

The BBC has a social liberal bias (hence disliked by the right). It's also very establishment biased (hence disliked by the left as well).

Officially I don't have an opinion on Brexit as I was so caught up in the arguments that I could not decide on referendum day. I asked my DS17 (three weeks too young to have his own vote) how he would like me to vote, and he told me. So I voted for what he wanted, as he will live with the consequences longer than me.

I voted (my first ever vote) in 1974 to continue membership of the EEC which I still believe was a brilliant concept. By the time of Maastricht, when the EEC turned into a movement towards political union and huge enlargement (mainly driven by careerist politicians seeking ever greater wider powers over a whole continent) I was concerned (not worried) about the ambitions of the EU Commission, and how individuals might express reservations.

Tony Blair's blithe opening of the borders to all residents of the 2005 accession countries (which France, Germany and the Netherlands did not do) brought a wave of young, energetic East Europeans keen to earn West European wages and ready to work. Their competence and willingness showed the shortcomings of the UK's education and training. Need a qualified nurse? A plumber? An au pair? A chef? A waitress? I have the person: their English is just okay, but they will learn quickly. And they did. Usually with a smile. And now those pioneers have found their feet and partners and made their stake in life (as my closest friends and family did in the ME in the 1970s) they're ready to return with the ideas they have gained to build their own countries for their futures. I still believe it's progress. But over population and climate change......

There's nothing stopping like minded people who are sad that the last governnment lost the election from starting their own series.

Pointythings Any thread with posts regretting the last government lost the last election would be overrun by anti Tory posters very quickly - as you well know.
There are quite a few posters who police political threads very thoroughly in order to censure any pro Tory or anti Labour posts.
Iirc at the time of the EU referendum there were some pro Brexit posters who tried to start their own thread but this was discovered and overrun by anti Brexit posters very quickly.

Yes, they ended up talking on 30 day only threads.

Not really, but possibly a bit London-centric which is hardly surprising as great volumes of people live there and there's a lot more 'stuff' going on.

The little voices coming and reporting from the nether regions are easily squashed down under any wave of disagreement that emanates from the 'power-base'.

I don't feel squashed. I live in a different country to the "power-base" (assuming you mean London or SE England generally).

I do tend to agree about being London-centric-particularly in Education threads.

Better than cliche shut down comments though.

If someone posts links on a thread, they can be challenged and discussed.
Especially if they are on a thread that is dominated by Labour posters.

*See other threads or topics where people with a particular point of view post and people who post contradictory things often get challenged by a lot of people

Unless you think people who post stuff shouldn't get challenged on what they post

I would say I am a Guardian reading, Labour supporter.

However, I use MN to post on a range of topics. Unlike some people who seem to just stick to political threads.

When there were questions about Russian interference / trolls on here, I often wondered if any Russian trolls would have posted on say baby names with their opinion or questions - their role was to post disinformation but they got sidetracked by some of the other MN topics.

I am puzzled by people talking about "shut down" comments. Surely if someone is being a dick (not just disagreeing with you-genuinely being a dick) you just ignore and move on to the vast majority of non-dick posters?

Interesting that this how the interactions are viewed. What's that phase play the ball not the woman.

I don't see people challenging the links, that would be great wouldn't it, but usually it's mocking or worse, HQ accusations against the poster.

This isn't really about that particular pp as I'm sure she has enough resources to deal with it, good mh and life etc, but how online behaviour accumulates and if enough participate people can't see it (apparently)

play the ball not the woman.

I tend not to respond much mainly because I see so many other people posting good responses. I would say that generally it's the ball that's being played but if the ball is constantly being thrown in by one woman maybe it looks like the woman is being played.

I'm sure you're aware that on countless subjects someone can post their opinion and lots of people will reply to say why it's wrong. That's not a pile on. It's lots of people expressing themselves and wanting to say what they believe is right. It's very subject based.

At what do you think something becomes a pile on?
Is it 2 people responding?
3 people responding

And it's mostly replies to the links.

The thing is - most of them are completely irrelevant to the topic and are derailing.

Lots of whataboutery - which have been challenged before - and it gets tedious when the same people try to derail a thread with irrelevant links.

My usual tactic is to ignore such attempts at a derail.

not just disagreeing with you-genuinely being a dick

CurlewKate what is your definition of ‘being a dick’ on these threads?

@Barbadossunset "CurlewKate what is your definition of ‘being a dick’ on these threads?"

Ad hominems. Unsupported "facts". Insults. Whataboutery. You know the sort of thing.

Thank you for answering my question CurlewKate.
However there are plenty of insults from Labour supporters on the Starmer threads to those who disagree, and anyone who supported Brexit was instantly insulted by virtually every poster so it works both ways.

However there are plenty of insults from Labour supporters on the Starmer threads to those who disagree

Can you link to said insults to individuals? Posters on that thread don't always agree with each other, yet don't insult each other.

@Barbadossunset Where did I say it was all one way?🤔

It's a false conclusion because, for example, X might post on a thread about private schools and be accused of being RW. But on a feminism post she might be accused of being LW. On a benefits thread someone might call her LW or not notice because she's fairly Middle of the Road and on a thread about immigration very LW indeed. But she's a small business owner and on economics or politics/tax threads she'd be considered RW.

And I think that reflects how many of us think, (broad ranging not LW or RW about ALL issues). Which is why I'd like to see a more issues-based election and government not a party-based one. We vote for policies and the people who carry them out are mere executors.. But how that would come about I have no idea.

Quite. And challenging someone robustly is not insulting. Asking for evidence to back up a statement is not insulting.

I think it would be great if posters reacted to the mentioned pp posts with links and information without mockery, insults and accusations of being a bot or HQ

We'll see if people change

Tricky to read that @Barbadossunset - putting in some line spaces would help. I can't tell if any of it is your comment or if the entire post is c&p.

Could you try again to be more clear?