Thoughts on the 1 year vaccinations please ?

[Ellamaee]

Positing on aibu in hopes to get more of a response .
my 1 year old has her 12 month vaccines on Wednesday, I wasn’t overthinking it until I seen TikTok’s of reactions to the vaccine , then all the comments saying how after the vaccine their child was having seizures, gave them health issues etc etc and how it is “literal poison” and that “they don’t make money if you’re not poorly, the vaccines are poison” also multiple stated they’ve never vaccinated their kids and they’re really healthy and never sick compared to those who have been vaccinated . My one year old is up to date with hers and now I’m absolutely dreading these one as obviously there’s 2 new ones she’s never had , am I massively overthinking this? I knowwww if she doesn’t get vaccinated she can get really sick, but then people telling me that it’s going to cause health issues, seizures, possibly Sid’s ? Is making me too scared to do it , I’m wondering if anyone has any experiences, and in hopes to reassure me that I’m doing the right thing by getting her vaccinated . I don’t want anything bad to happen to her I’m so scared . (Before anyone asks , yes I have bad anxiety as you’ll tell from my other threads lol) I don’t wanna pass it on to my daughter I just wanna do the right thing , thanks in advance

You’re conflating someone who has very likely been down a rabbit hole of self serving conspiracy theory content and posting about it on TikTok with someone who has done bone fide research.

How do you know the difffence? You don’t. Go to a reputable source directly yourself.

don’t listen to tik tok or anyone that gets their advice from tik tok either.

vaccinate your children

by all means go and see your GP and let them spell it out to them. I’d put good money on the fact that 99.9999% of doctors, who understand the actual facts, vaccinate their children.

I can promise you that people on tiktok have done their research from nutcase on social media. The research worth anything is peer-reviewed scientific research. You know, like real scientists do and the world's healthcare systems use as evidence.

Generally the clue to absolute bollocks is people saying 'do your own research'. If you even to a tiny degree believe anyone one social media who 'has done then their own research' perhaps you'd like to sell your cow for a handful of beans. You'll get the most amazing beanstalk with treasure at the top.

Actually, a good mantra for your life going forward is don't believe anything on tiktok.

Tiktok is full of idiots

JFC

Just delete tik tok.
i don’t understand why or how people can waste so much time watching idiotic videos on there. Who has time for that crap? Especially stuff like this which makes you worry. That’s even worse! Just get rid of the damn thing.
Also these silly people going on about money - are they in the USA? Because that’s not how the nhs works!

They were from uk so I’ve no idea what they were talking about 🤣

Already feel better about it . I will get her vaccinated. Thanks all

But when people say they've done "research" they can't mean peer reviewed studies that have statistically significant sample sized and effective data analysis. Because those people publish in science journals, not on tictok.

Thinking we don't need to vaccinated our children is a modern luxury. If you had seen childhood diseases up close and personal you would be much keener to get your child vaccinated.

I think the other thing to remember is that even very unlikely things do happen when things happen over and over again. So if, all over the world, millions and millions of babies are being vaccinated each year, and also during that time the unlikely events of babies having seizures or dying happens, statistically some of those events will happen just after the babies get vaccinated. Because that's how probability works.

Am alternative example is that it's very unlikely that an individual will win the lottery. But almost every week SOMEONE wins the lottery. And we were a news article about the person who won the lottery and not about the millions who entered the lottery and didn't win it.

That's exactly the same as the videos - people disproportionately make videos about bad things even if those bad things are s coincidence where that parent has won life's anti-lottery because something bad has happened to their child.

Overall, vaccinations have been shown (via scientific studies, rather than anecdata) to be safe, effective and to reduce the risk to your child compared to not having the vaccine. The NHS has no interest in spending loads of money running programmes that don't work. That's why they don't fund things that aren't backed by careful testing. And that's why they do recommend vaccines - because they're safe and effective.

And gullible adults and conspiracy theorists.

Many vaccines have side effects. I have spent all day on the settee feeling like death warmed up after having a covid vaccine yesterday. I'm feeling more human now and will be as right as rain tomorrow, and hopefully I won't get covid.

Makes you realise that the government should be teaching people the basics of how to parent in a common sense and practical way.

Lesson 1: do not believe everything on tik tok, especially if you are uneducated because it makes you vulnerable to narcissists who want attention and don’t care about any harm they may cause.

Lesson 2: don’t shy away from reading and learning. Without knowledge and experience, you are a child forever .

Lesson 3: trust medical professionals more than strangers on the internet who are attention seekers.

Hey OP - always remind yourself of the UK context. First, that the NHS absolutely hates spending money it doesn't need to. And second, that the group that makes recommendations about vaccines in the UK (the JCVI) is notoriously (some might say ridiculously) conservative, particularly around adding to the childhood vaccine schedule.

A really good example of this is the fact that the UK is now about 20 years behind a lot of the western world on the chicken pox vaccine. The UK has taken a much more cautious approach for a number of reasons, and one is concern that it might affect people's willingness to take up the MMR if it became MMRV like it is in a lot of other countries, along with a reluctance to recommending spending big on the adult programme and overall cost/benefit issues as they only look at very narrow health impacts in their analysis.

It's a really good example of how the UK vaccine programme isn't in the pocket of big pharma - if it was all about profits, we'd have had the chicken pox vaccine years and years ago.

A gentle reminder to others that berating and ridiculing people who are hesitant about vaccines is rarely the most productive approach...

Just do it! For goodness' sake

Thanks so much !

Only believe people who say "I've done the research" if they have a peer reviewed meta-analysis in a reputable academic journal.

This is really well put ; thank you for explaining!

The ‘they don’t make money if you’re not poorly’ thing doesn’t even make sense in the uk. The NHS doesn’t make money from us being sick. They do everything on a cost analysis basis as well so they choose the most cost effective path they do not go about injecting babies with poison to cost them more money to treat.

There is a part of me that understands the US anti vax moment a bit because they do have ‘big pharma’ and drs wanting to make money out of them so it has created a mistrust leading to conspiracy theories but in the UK we don’t have that. I’m not saying the drs are always right here either but we are coming at this from a totally different standpoint.

How many people do you know? The majority of them will have been vaccinated. How many people do you know that have had serious illness, disabilities or death directly relating to vaccines?
But I bet if you ask older people you know they will have had or almost certainly will know people who have had serious reactions to measles, mumps, meningitis…

I am going to, was just anxious about it

Crazy people are on tik tok.

If you have questions ask your GP or HV.

PS I would also encourage you to look at getting the chicken pox vaccine done privately! The JCVI has now recommended to the government that it be included in the vaccine schedule but if approved by DHSC you'll just miss out.

Other countries have more or less eradicated childhood chicken pox, which can be really nasty in some cases. My DS1 is now 13 and still has the scars from when he was two, he was quite unwell with it. The vaccine is most effective when given in childhood and also greatly reduces the risk of shingles later in life.

And now I feel a lot better about it (I’m still very anxious but I just don’t like seeing my baby poorly) but you guys have reassured me

I strongly believe that every child who can be vaccinated should be but can't everyone give the op a break now? She's said way back thread that she's taken things on board and will go ahead with the vaccinations but people are STILL ripping her to pieces! It's not fair.

It's also worth remembering that the stories on TikTok you see of parents saying they didn't vaccinate and their child never gets sick...that's only because they benefit from herd immunity from other children being vaccinated and therefore not being able to pass anything onto them!

These people actually have done the research: https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/ unlike Kelly on TikTok who heard it from someone and watched another 20 videos and then copied what everyone else was saying. If she's actually a real person and not a bot. The website there is from the Oxford University vaccine group who do actual scientific research on all sorts of vaccines. The NHS website is also a good source of information. On social media, any hint of vaccine hesitancy and the algorithm will send you straight down a rabbit hole. Steer clear!