The Labour Party are bloody hypocrites

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I think Angela rayner has got a nerve to start slashing the right to buy when she has profited from it, is she going to give the money back then that she pocketed from this scheme when she sold her house? I have always been a labour supporter and I am as working class as they come but I am so angry about this. I am not denying that the right to buy policy has its issues but it's just tinkering around the edges of the housing crisis and ignoring the real issues. I may be slightly emotional about this as I live in a one bedroomed council flat that I was planning on buying next year, my only hope of probably ever owning a property. Instead, if and when I choose to have children and I am overcrowded, they will now have to rehouse me themselves instead to a bigger property and I will now probably be a lifelong council tenant. Fabulous. Why are they targeting the people at the bottom? I can't support them anymore sadly.

They won't ask her to leave, they'll ask her to work and pay the rent herself. Do you understand how benefits and social housing work? I live in social housing and pay the full rent myself out of my wages, my DS is too old for me to sit at home claiming benefits and I have to work full time like everyone else. You don't get your rent paid for by benefits your whole life!

Absolutely.

Right to Buy has been a complete social disaster. Many of the properties (40%) have ended up in the hands of private landlords which are now let out at increased rents and with no security of tenure. It has landed the country with a huge benefits bill, contributed to the housing crisis and added to poverty and family instability - the two being linked of course.

The idea that it should continue unchanged because of one individual Labour MP is absurd.

As to the OP I'm afraid I don't think your objections have any merit. You have almost certainly benefited from lower rents than you would have paid in the private sector and you've had much better security of tenure. I don't know why you think you should also get a discount on buying a property when people forced to rent privately don't.

Just because someone benefitted from something years ago does not mean they can never change it. Right to Buy has been a disaster for social housing

Interesting seeing the younger generation, who haven’t lived and worked under a Labour government before, start to realise exactly what they voted for.

The point is … the market rent for her flat will be unaffordable unless she becomes an investment banker.
She is in a 2 bed flat, period building in Notting Hill with a private landlord.

i’m not sure how that transition will be made.

If it's a private landlord then it's not social housing. Social housing is owned by housing associations, not private landlords.

Sounds like you really don't know what you're on about.

Edited as poster has already mentioned this.

Right to buy is a ridiculous scheme. If you can afford to buy you shouldn't have much needed social housing. I think it is possible to benefit from something whilst being opposed to it.

The council will be paying £412.86 per week tops for private rent. Hardly investment banker level. There is a ceiling on the housing benefit the council will pay. Have you not heard of the LHA?

Weekly LHA rate for October 2024
Central London BRMA

Shared Accommodation Rate:£190.97 per week
One Bedroom Rate:£331.39 per week
Two Bedrooms Rate:£412.86 per week
Three Bedrooms Rate:£497.10 per week
Four Bedrooms Rate:£704.22

I suspect you are telling fairy stories. Have a lovely evening!

The poster is claiming that it's a "council flat" but with a private landlord which isn't right and seems to think benefits will pay the rent forever, so it's either made up or they just don't understand how it works, either way they haven't done much research on the topic!

I don't think that the right to buy was a great idea. Logically, if you sell off all the council housing stock, there are then less houses available for people who need a council house, for whatever reason.
I'm not sure how that was ever going to be helpful in the long term at a societal level.

And now... we have a shortage of council housing.

Also, wasn't rtb a Conservative policy? I don't think it is hypocritical for Labour to reverse a policy from the opposition.

Absolutely. It needs stopping.

That doesn't mean you should be able to buy a council property at a discount.

How do you know they would sell for less than the build cost?

So, what do they do if there is no housing available? You are living in expensive borough, and they need to find you a flat on private market???
They pay above & pay directly.

I also know of a disabled person on housing which far exceeds what you have listed.

Not lying.

The younger generation largely can't access social housing, instead they watch all their hard earned money go to landlords. Most of them will be very happy to see the end of Right to Buy.

Bit of a derail, but I'm gobsmacked at the amount of landlord whining about a small amount of their earnings going to the government when their tenants are literally handing over most of their own hard earned to cash to them (the landlord) for doing little more than owning a pile of bricks.

Most of the money you give to the government does do good somewhere down the line, the NHS, education, social care.

But rtb is precisely a case of "selling off national assets" Council houses are publicly owned assets.

Removing the rtb is the opposite of selling national assets, so by your own list, you should be in favour of abolishing rtb.

Right to buy is great for the people it benefits, but of course when not replacing that housing stock. Just because Angela Rayner benefited from the policy at one point doesn’t mean they can never amend the scheme. With so many homeless kids its right that changes are made. Sure people miss out, but those people private renting who can’t get social housing in the first place get sod all. So a reduced discount is better than the alternative.

very little this is true:

You would have to replace your passport with, say, a Sudanese or Syrian one meaning you would have had to escape severe danger in your home country to get here.
you may die on the journey over from Calais in the dodgy dinghy
you might get put up in a basic hotel whilst your asylum claim was heard, but you wouldn’t be allowed to work and would be entitled to around £9 per week from the state. People like this poster might surround your accommodation and heckle you, or worse.
you might get some basic healthcare if you need it, possibly provided by a (legal) immigrant given how many prop up the NHS. NHS dentistry is pretty hard for anyone to obtain nowadays.
you wouldn’t get anywhere near the top of the social housing list. If you are an able bodied adult, you might well end up street homeless after you obtain refugee status.

From the consultation paper on feasibility of RTB
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/57699/pdf/&ved=2ahUKEwjigvT946yJAxVsVEEAHbkIDHsQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DTpo7igCOq0qko3Ixkk78

I think a much bigger issue is people being allowed to stay in properties that are no longer suitable for them. My aunt lives in a four bedroomed council house in her 50's when her children are all in their 30's and moved out. She then gave her kids house deposits. It keeps the housing stock stagnant. My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

So what the right word?
There is no council housing available and the council funds you into a private flat. Is there another word for that?

You could under freedom of info, ask your council how many people are in private flats that exceed LHA rate. You can find out for yourself that they frequently fund private flats exceeding.

Labour certainly did a good job on tax rises

‘We were clear’ there’d be tax rises, yeh hardly. Anyone who said there would be got abuse. They were not clear and I hope the public gives them the hard time they deserve

RTB should absolutely be stopped.
I have twice lived in ex council properties bought under RTB, and then rented out at extortionate amount. Our landlord happily boasted that he was a professional landlord, buying a RTB, transferring into another family members name, getting rehoused, and then bought that one and so on.

My grandma was offered RTB her council house for 40k about 20 years ago, after living in it for about 50 years. My mum and her 3 siblings offered to give her 10k each to buy it, but she was absolutely adamant that when she died it needed to go to someone who needs it rather than my mum and her siblings 'selling and making money from it' and should remain a council property - it had helped her when she was a struggling young mum and she hoped another young family in need would get it. And they did, my mum met them when visiting some old neighbours, and they described to my mum just how much it meant to them to get that house after ages in temporary housing.
Council properties should go yo those in highest need, not be a method to turn a profit.

I've got good news for you! You're going to be so happy when you read this.
https://inews.co.uk/news/housing/rachel-reeves-promises-build-council-housing-budget-3345414