AIBU to hope 'Tommy Robinson' finally faces some consequences?

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Arrested ahead of the London march.

Key instigator of the riots the other month.

So supporting a convicted thug, fraudster, abuser and a paedophile defender is the way to deal with migration in your mind?

Also lol at your last paragraph. Do you usually believe everything you read on social media? If so, you might want to spend just a little bit of time reading around the subject instead of making a complete fool of yourself for all too see.

It’s not good for you to have so much anger like this

They're not scared to say it, just incapable of either writing or speaking in coherent sentences.

So these illegal immigrants are working legally as carers but somehow not working and getting free handouts?

@Scotland96 you do realise most immigrants that are here especially the past two years have been employment immigrants. Almost 200% for Asian immigrants and 114% from Africans.

The government need to replace the workforce they have lost through Brexit.
Also there was a shortage of skilled Tech workers and also carers plus nurses and Doctors,

The government is taking the human (resources) from other countries. Highly educated and qualified people to replace lost skills. Compared to the boats, it’s absolutely nothing compared to employment immigration.

@Scotland96

Immigrants contribute significantly to the UK economy in a number of ways, including:

Economic output
According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute around £83 billion to the UK's economic output annually.

Tax and national insurance
In 2018-19, EEA and Swiss nationals paid £22.4 billion more in tax and national insurance than they received in benefits, while non-EEA nationals paid £20 billion more.

Employment
Migrants are employed in a variety of sectors, including healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. In the first quarter of 2024, 6.8 million foreign-born people were employed in the UK, making up over a fifth of the workforce.

Business ownership
Migrants are more likely to start businesses in the UK than UK-born individuals.

Suuuuure you didn't and what would be the point in me getting back to you with facts?

I mean, I could explain the difference between illegal migrants, legal migrants and asylum seekers to you, the different impacts (positive and negative) they have on the country, the benefits each group is entitled to and when, etc, etc, but if you're honest with yourself it would all be pointless wouldn't it?

You're entrenched in your narrow-minded views and no amount of evidence will change that now.

Is it not a case of we have enough criminals of our own rather than continually importing more? Especially when it seems beyond our government/judiciary to actually deport anyone.

Our jails are literally full - and they've got tons of foreign criminals in there mixed in with our own.

Generally I think people are pro-immigration when it's managed properly. Governments and bureaucracy continually fail us.

While I would very much like to see him in the clink, I think it would make him a something of a martyr in the eyes of the knuckle-dragging morons that support him. There would be a real danger that that would galvanise them into more drastic action than simply marching, chanting and causing trouble at football matches.

I feel sorry for the Met police today. I think the EDL and their fellow travellers will be angry that their beloved leader has been arrested and thus even more likely to cause trouble, and anecdotally I'm hearing of far more people going to today's Stand Up To Racism march than have been to previous ones. There's actually an organised meet up for people from my small, rural town attending, which is a first.

I genuinely think that there is a supply and demand imbalance problem with racism in the UK.

In that the vast vast majority of people in the UK are not racist and judge people on the content of their character and actions and not the colour of their skin.

However there are many people who want to believe that racism is endemic across the UK or to claim that when a person is called to account for their wrongful actions then this is because of the colour of their skin and not their wrongful actions.

The recent coverage of the shooting of Chris Kabba is a good example of this. Where he was portrayed as an innocent aspiring musician gunned down by racist police officers.

In reality he was a member of one of London’s most dangerous criminal gangs and was directly linked to two shootings in the six days before he was shot dead by police.
He was said to have shot a rival in the legs at a nightclub six days before he died in September 2022, and would have stood trial for attempted murder had he survived.
He was also found to have gunshot residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket on the night he was killed by a police marksman, which it was suggested was evidence he had been involved in a second shooting the previous night. He had previous convictions for possession of weapons, and the Audi that he was driving when he was killed was linked to three previous firearms incidents in five months.

For anyone not interested in the ‘banned’ documentary it is worth looking into what happened at the school where the Syrian boy was a pupil. The situation itself and what happened afterwards was not quite how the main stream media told us. You don’t need to listen to a single word Tommy Robinson says to research that a little deeper.

He isn’t their leader?

Oh man, are these dim pricks going to be shitting up central London again today?

Great.

Love how noone has responded to you or the previous poster who also listed the fucking awful things this awful man has done to refute or defend them in any way. They never do. They ignore it. And we all see them ignore these concerns, or gloss over them, or point at someone else and go 'but THIS person xxxxx' instead of actually addressing what you've said.
Happy for a supporter to come along and discuss/provide evidence against the points you have raised here though. Prove me wrong!

Well done Daisy. This kind of information needs to be shared far and wide. I genuinely think we wouldn't have such an issue with the rise of racism if the Daily Mail and others published this kind of info. We need to ask why the positives of immigration aren't publicised more widely.

@SallyWD exactly a lot of people would adjust their beliefs if the real statics were being published in the media.

Yet they talk about the boats when this form of immigration barely brings in a significant amount of immigrants into the country we also take less Asylum seekers than other EU countries. But yet the Daily Mail and GB news focus on the boats to sell and sensationalise their news it’s all about profit for them but not educating the masses.

We take more immigrants through the route of Work and Study. We also take in a lot of young professionals because our country is an aging country with a low birth rate at the moment.

So it’s important we replenish the population with skilled workers and young professionals.

Because it’s not doom, gloom and sensationalism so the media would never publish it widely.

Plus most news outlets are completely biased and only publish things to try and influence people to support and lean to whatever narrative they are trying to push.

Yes, I'm sure that none of us are keen to import criminals into the country.
What I object to, once again, is the racist rhetoric around the issue. Facts have been manipulated. There is a lot of misinformation out there. There's a perception that immigrants and especially asylum seekers are far more likely to be criminals - a perception that they're more likely to be rapists, peadophiles, run around with machetes etc. This perception is the basis of the fear and anger around immigration, the basis of the riots and support for Tommy Robinson etc.
I'm very interested in this subject so I always do my research from a variety of sources (not just left wing sources). I want to know the truth. What I found is that immigrants (including asylum seekers) are no more likely commit crimes than native British people. No more likely to be rapists, less likely to be pedophiles, no more likely to commit violent crime. Yes the immigrants living in direct poverty are more likely to commit crime but the same applies to white people.
As I said, let's have an open discussion around immigration and let's examine any problems caused by it, but based on facts, not lies spread by right wing agitators.
The other day Laurence Fox posted something on X about the soaring crime rates due to immigration. Most people supported him but a few people responded with facts - sharing graphs and reports that showed that crime rates were actually dropping. Laurence Fox, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage are dangerous because they make these false statements and people believe them. People are genuinely scared because of what they say.
I read an article in the Financial Times (not a left wing publication) that said that immigration has had no real impact on crime rates, so far. This is not the view shared by many thanks to the Daily Mail etc.

They were arrested and now going through the court system - what has that got to do with this thread though?

If certain people want to be racist or prejudiced that’s on them.

But I cannot understand how anyone supports this absolute idiot!

He literally laughs at them.
They pay for his lavish lifestyle and they think he’s God.

When he started the riots, he didn’t take part in them all and show his support in person - he was on an all inclusive holiday in a completely different country.

How can you be using these people’s money and giving it to foreign, non-white people, when this is why those people gave you the money in the first place.
And yet those people will continue to support him and give him money.

It’s almost like some mad experiment to see how stupid people are.

Get moving @scotland96, you'll miss your march. Glad to see its raining.

@Autumnalsun this is it as well! He was on holiday in Spain when those people were rioting and taking things from Greggs.

He was talking to those people whilst he was getting a tan, relaxing in the sun. Meanwhile we all had to watch and police were hurt. Local Businesses were destroyed, towns were destroyed across the country.

It’s wrong, these people are being used and he is so not even the common working class person.

He doesn’t care and I am sure he will serve some time and this will make people angry it’s a vicious cycle.

The news are going to carry on encouraging this nonsense, playing both sides.

@Daisy155
@SallyWD

"We need to ask why the positives of immigration aren't publicised more widely."

Firstly the economic benefits of immigration depends heavily on the age of the immigrant (old or young means net negative impact) and level of skill (skilled net positive, unskilled net negative).

However there are currently 9 million people economically inactive in the UK right now, surely it would be better to incentivise these people back into the economy rather than simply import more and more people into the country in some kind of Ponzi scheme which in turn creates pressures on services such as the NHS, education etc and resources such as housing.

Some may choose to right off the 9 million as impossible to help or unemployable but this just creates an angry disenfranchised section of society attracted to the likes of Tommy Robinson.

Breakdown of the reasons why people are not at work - some are indeed unemployed...but the largest groups are students, the sick, people with caring responsibilities or the retired.