AIBU to hope 'Tommy Robinson' finally faces some consequences?

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Arrested ahead of the London march.

Key instigator of the riots the other month.

Seriously!? He spouts lies and bullshit, a basic fact check would disprove much of what he says. Some people really are thick as shit, you'd have to to believe a word he says. He's a grifter.

I rather enjoy supposing that the donations made by his horrible racist supporters will go a long way towards paying the damages, still outstanding, awarded to the libelled Syrian boy. Unless SYL pockets the lot and buggers off back to Spain which seems more likely.

One supposes that with him out of action - and still facing a two (or is it five) stretch for not unlocking his phone - plus any charges that may arise from that content, Spain may have to wait.

well ...

Well, I doubt that all the people in 1930s Europe who voted for and supported Nazi and Fascist governments were far right thick racists, either. Some were, or were some of these things (e.g. not all far right people are thick, and vice versa). Bur some thought that Hitler/ Mussolini would improve their economic position, or were deceived by their seeming charisma.

Economic desperation does increase the chances of people being attracted to extremists who seem to offer a solution. Europe in general. and Germany in particular, were in a very bad economic position after WW1, and were especially badly affected by the worldwide depression of the 1930s. But this doesn't explain all of the support for far right leaders. Tommy Robinson gets lots of funding, and clearly this doesn't come from people with no money,

Tommy Robinson will fortunately never have the power of a Hitler or even a Mussolini, but his types are still very dangerous.

Well, I doubt that all the people in 1930s Europe who voted for and supported Nazi and Fascist governments were far right thick racists, either. Some were, or were some of these things (e.g. not all far right people are thick, and vice versa). Bur some thought that Hitler/ Mussolini would improve their economic position, or were deceived by their seeming charisma

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Mebebecat · Yesterday 15:01
Gosh. So much hate on this thread towards the poor, the uneducated and the disadvantaged

“Gosh”, how bloody offensive are you? assuming the poor, uneducated and disadvantaged are nasty, racist bigots.

How do you explain Farage, Jenrick, Braverman, Tice, Badenoch, and so on and so on? Don’t fall into your categories, do they?

TofuTart · Today 10:54

Well, I doubt that all the people in 1930s Europe who voted for and supported Nazi and Fascist governments were far right thick racists, either. Some were, or were some of these things (e.g. not all far right people are thick, and vice versa). Bur some thought that Hitler/ Mussolini would improve their economic position, or were deceived by their seeming charisma

Nonsense. The Nazi party was othering Jewish people, black people, disabled people and Romany people from the very early 1930s. It was their very clear policy to rid the motherland of them. Anyone who voted for the Nazis knew exactly what they were voting for and presumably either agreed or didn’t care.

Hitler hardly swept to power with a 179 seat majority. The Nazis were a minority party who bullied their way to power (in a coalition) and then murdered their opponents (and troublesome supporters) to seize absolute power.

It's disingenuous to suggest he was massively popular which was (and is) how the propaganda worked.

I agreed with the pp about Hitler because of the point they made about being a good speaker/charismatic.
Make you think they're "speaking for you" (NOT me, I hasten to add!")
Hiding behind so called "legitimate concerns" and it never really is about that at all.

Reforms disowning of the Yaxley-Lennon bandwagon is interesting. Mildly reminiscent of the fate of Ernst Röhm.

Exactly this.
The boat dingies have to stop.

How?

Withdraw the Coastguard and RNLI.
Send out the RN frigates to escort them bach to France.

There are ways legally to come to live in UK.
Dingies are nor one of them.

France won't take them back. If France would simply take them back, do you believe the Rwanda fiasco would have happened?

Seeking asylum is not illegal, no matter how you get into the country.

You are both right . I live in a poor community in some respects and I can say that some people would blame immigration for that but then they would be stupid to not look up to the government as to what they have done for the last 14 years I could understand young lads getting into the far right because history repeats itself And angry young man are very valuable and manipulated to the far right they even have gyms now up and down this country where they are training into fitness while giving them far right shite and misogyny
however we have the Internet we have the ability to look at facts. We should not be so stupid and gullible to believe that the problems of the society is because of immigration we have a very low birth rate do people not realise that the way we are going we are not going to have enough people to help.
we are crying out for people to work in care and other places we need people to build houses. Do you know that in America? You’ve got Donald Trump talking about immigration and illegals yet? Some of the biggest construction companies in Florida which are really building a lots of property right now as we speak are using illegals that have got over the border the truth is things that need to be done . If we want to stop the boats you have to make it so they can claim asylum in the countries they come from possibly through the embassy in their country but because Our policy is you cannot play asylum unless you land physically in Britain. So of course they come here to get asylum therefore as I say we need to be putting the centres in their country so they stay there and they are told if they come here they will be sent back there. Until they are processed legally and we need to be faster to doing it because the faster we can process them the quicker they can be working and growing the economy.

Then prevent them from landing on UK sand or soil.

You're being very cryptic. How do you propose to do that?

80% of people arriving on small boats are genuine asylum seekers. I have no desire to turn them away.

Taishan · Today 19:57

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Withdraw the Coastguard and RNLI.

Oh dear, have you swallowed Farage's nonsense that the RNLI are merely a taxi service for Afghan rapists? They're humanitarian volunteers, dedicated to saving lives at sea, without fear or favour. They don't make, "Ooh, nasty brown people" judgements and leave them to drown; they have humanity.

There are ways legally to come to live in UK.
Dingies are nor one of them

please explain what these ways are, @Taishan , if you are coming from, say, Gaza or Syria. We’d all love to know.

I am not defending people who voted for Hitler; I am pointing out that people can vote for the Far Right for all kinds of reasons, and it doesn't alter the fact that they are voting for dangerous people.

Economic disaster makes people more likely to vote for dangerous leaders who offer simple pseudo-solutions. For this reason as well as millions of others. economic disaster should be avoided.

Some people may vote for Far Rightists for other reasons than being personally racist- but that doesn't mean that the Far Right has any valid points. It may be worthwhile to find out what conditions make people more likely to support the Mussolinis and Trumps and Tommy Robinsons of the world; but that should never mean thinking that Mussolini and Trump and Tommy Robinson might be right.

So you'd be willing to have local people drown, just so that immigrants in small boats can't be rescued by the Coastguard and RNLI?

Actually I believe that the original split between UKIP and the Brexit (later Reform) Party was because Batten wanted to bring in Tommy Robinson and similar people, and that was too much even for Farage..

Strongly disagree with "remove the coastguard and the RNLI."
They should never start picking and choosing who should get rescued and who should be left to their own devices if they get into difficulties.
Anyone thinking they should I think WTAF is the matter with you?!