To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

I think people forget that anorexia is a mental disorder, not a weight category. Not all anorexics are underweight. People with anorexic behaviours are using this drug to fuel their disorder. You only need to look at the "What I eat in a day on Mounjaro" thread to see that.

I have been diagnosed with AN in the past and most of those posters are eating less than I did when my BMI was between 16-17.

If we keep allowing people to abuse this drug someone is going to die.

I believe it has its uses, I do not wish to see it banned, and for those using it healthily to help with things like binge eating disorders and food addiction, hats off to you. I wish you all the luck in the world with your weight loss, but we need more controls in place to protect the not-insignificant number of people who are using this drug to create and maintain unhealthy eating patterns.

Over 200 people a year die from paracetamol overdose, and all the restriction that is done is to stop you bulk buying it at any one purchase. Nothing to stop you visiting several shops. I could buy a many times lethal dose of paracetamol from the shops on my local high street.

The logic here is that the utility for lots of people to stop headaches, period pain etc, is worth the number of deaths per year.

As yet, there's no actual evidence that anorexics and bulimics are accessing weight loss injections and dying, or any other serious outcome.

No, it wasn't withdrawn from the market entirely. It was just banned in multiple countries, including where I live.

The reason I mentioned "FDA approved" is that many of the very naive posters on this thread used that as a trump card to prove these injections must therefore be entirely safe. Despite every withdrawn drug in history being at some point FDA approved. Until it wasn't.

What controls? What controls do you wish to protect a small sub section of society? And how much do you think that will cost?

from the buildings to cope with the sheer amount of people. To the hundreds of thousands of staff required. Where will they come from? What qualifications will they have.

whilst your desire to protect a small amount of anorexics is admirable. Have some common sense.

And before this thread ends, I would like to add that I consider that obesity is also an eating disorder, with many associated dire consequences for the patient, and we finally have a treatment.

And those wanting F2f GP appointments, I expect you are quite happy that many doctor roles have been removed from NHS, and you could now be operated on by someone with no medical and surgical training, a 'surgical care practitioner '

You could have a serious condition treated by a nurse practitioner who again has no medical training ( as they have trained in nursing, not medicine)

You could have your appointment with a 'physician associate' who knows less biology than a GCSE student

Perhaps divert your energy to demanding doctors are returned to the health service generally, not just available for this ( relatively low impact risk wise) particular condition

Lots of people order their NHS prescription medications online, including pain meds, through their named pharmacies, just like prescribed Mounjaro. It only takes one the initial consultation on the nhs, just like Mounjaro through private pharmacies. Their nhs surgery sends their nhs med to their named pharmacy and they either collect or it's delivered to them. Most private pharmacies notify your GP about your private prescription, like mounjaro, and it's on your record. Your GP can raise concerns if they know from your record that there is a reason you shouldn't take the prescribed meds like Mounjaro.

Lots have 'ordered online' for years and no additional checks. The surgery only checks that you've been prescribed the medication and from history, you're taking it (see: ordering it) regularly. That's all it takes to approve the order.

The only time they do further checks is if it's been a while since you ordered it or if you require a change or increase in dose or if you're flagged as needing more supervision with meds, then you need to be reviewed to see if you still need it and why it's been a while. Mostly same with prescription Mounjaro through the pharmacies. The increase in doses is expected so it doesn't trigger additional checks besides knowing you've been prescribed it and you're still taking (ordering) it. If you're flagged as needing more supervision, it will be on your record and your GP will call you in for a consultation to check how you're doing with any private prescription like Mounjaro.

Besidws this, no one checks how you're using your NHS prescribed meds, if you're giving them away, throwing them in the bin or selling them on, just like no one checks the prescribed Mounjaro and what you do with it once prescribed. All the information, advice and support are giving during the consultation process and on leaflets that you're advised to read both for nhs and private prescription like Mounjaro. You're advised to come back and speak to someone if you have any questions or issues with your prescription meds both on the nhs and private pharmacies for meds like Mounjaro.

No one checks for particular groups of people who're vulnerable to particular medication and decides it should affect those who need that medication, just like prescribed Mounjaro and obese people.

Let's stop the fake concern and double standards simply because this is a weightloss medication and obese people are seen as needing to be controlled in one way or the other. All the necessary checks have been and are being done, just like on the nhs. More checks will follow if needed.

There are already restriction in place and GPs are informed and able to block re-prescribing should they see fit.

But theres a black market for all drugs, and we cannot take on responsibility for all peoples choices. People do stupid shit - i work in A&E i see the stupid humans do on a daily basis. It doesnt matter how many restrictions we put on it, people will manage to get a hold of it. The system in place now is making this medication affordable and accessible to those who need it. Its saving lives. In more ways than just weight.

I think all this concern about each "anti" poster's individual issue stems from the basic judgement that being obese is not worthy of treatment. So any perceived additional risk to whichever subset of society the poster belongs to, is seen as utterly unacceptable. Obesity is seen as self inflicted choice and as a moral issue, so any access to medical treatment is viewed as frivolous.

Before this thread ends, here is a nice little read about the current status of the US lawsuits.

Ozempic & Stomach Paralysis Lawsuits | Q&A with Jonathan Sedgh (drugwatch.com)

It is not a small number of people though. Read the many, many threads on what people are eating on these drugs. Most eat less than 1000 calories a day, some as low as 500 a day. That is not healthy.

You risk heart complications, electrolyte imbalances (which can be deadly), hair loss, osteoarthritis, etc and, if you have "a day off" or cannot afford your script and suddenly go back to eating a normal amount without medical supervision, you are at massive risk of refeeding syndrome, which can be fatal.

I think the initial prescription should require an in-person appointment and should be given alongside comprehensive nutritional support to help foster healthy eating patterns and a healthy relationship with food and the companies who are making billions a year selling this to the public should be forced to fund it.

Patients should be weighed periodically, maybe once every 3 months, to ensure they are not losing weight too fast by restricting too heavily.

Before this thread ends, let's raise a toast to the scientists who have developed this miraculous treatment for a widespread condition

Happy jabbing, everyone

Indeed. The outcomes that I read on the various support threads are quite astonishing. The positive impact on so many people's lives is fantastic.

And who is funding this? I had a telephone consultation, antibiotics and steroids prescribed remotely, for pneumonia. In an ideal world, maybe, but this isnt, and this game changing drug should not be with held because we dont have the resources for an ideal world.

Ok and?

What are we supposed to do about this? Stop taking any medication because they may be banned in the future? Stop taking any medication because they may cause side effects 10 to 20 years from now, as another poster said?

What other medications should we apply this to or is it just WLI? No one has responded to this question.

This is just doom-mongering - trying to arouse fear, paranoia, doom and gloom with no solution. It's not helpful in the least. It doesn't change that this medication is life-saving and life-changing. Why the negativity for a life-saving, life-changing med? Should we do this too when a new tried and tested medication that cures cancer comes out? Should we discourage people from taking it because of what might or might not happen 10 to 20 years later or the rare possibility that it would be banned or withdrawn later?

I don't get this line of argument against the WLI besides to discourage, for whatever reason best known to the poster.

I guess we are all just lucky no one trusts you with the nations health and purse strings. 😂

I’m pretty sure you’ve been told this multiple times in other threads, but the Thalidomide scandal was the very event that led to the very stringent regulations we have now for testing and monitoring new medications. Yes, there are still a few that slip through the net because very occasionally, a drug can be tested to within an inch of its life in the lab or in healthy volunteers, and still spring a surprise or two when introduced to the public and the incalculable variations of bodily function. But, it is extremely rare - out of the literally millions of meds on the market today, it is a tiny tiny percentage. Everything in life is a risk/benefit scenario. Everything.

So we come to the end, or near, of this interesting thread

Jabbers are gonna jab, and we are delighted with this miraculous treatment

Naysayers are gonna nay, though they don't have to take the jobs! We all know why they don't want obesity treated, and it reflects very poorly on them

And big pharma, thank you so much!

Exactly. Being obese is seen as a moral failing so to correct that failure requires admittance of fault and penance before we're seen as worthy of redemption. Weight loss medication is a short-cut because it avoids the ordeal and so those who use them remain unworthy and unredeemed.

It's very similar to the way that some people see those with depression as wallowing in their unhappiness and that if they just put the effort in then they'd feel better without needing "happy pills".

https://archive.ph/VTfiQ

GLP-1s like Ozempic are among the most important drug breakthroughs ever
Their far-reaching potential could transform how chronic diseases are managed
-The Economist

You do know the NHS uses VLCD in some of its diabetes and obesity programmes, don't you? 800-900 Kcal daily.

To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

To the OP @Pineconecollector , the original plopper on this thread, the plop and go poster like the other OPs of WLI-bashing thread, the answer to your ridiculous goady question is a big fat NO!

Weightloss injection medication prescribed both privately and on the nhs isn't a bad move.

WLI is a good move.
An important move.
An essential move.
A life-saving move.
A move that hasn't come early enough but glad that it's here now.
A move every obese person needs access to for health reasons.
A very positive and revolutionary move.

HTH.

The arrival of GLP-1 drugs has also shifted the way in which obesity is viewed, no longer as a disease of failing willpower but as a lifelong chronic condition from which the body never truly escapes. But diabetes and obesity have been just the start. Few drugs, if any, have promised to have such a revolutionary impact on human health, longevity and happiness.

Pity that part is lost on some people posting here.

Me again! I just wanted to pop back on before the thread ends ... I just want to apologise to anybody that I have offended or made angry, by having a pop at people who take these weight loss jabs. I am just against them, I can't articulate why!

To be quite honest, I have got the weight loss injections board hidden, and the weight loss one, as I find them a bit stress-inducing, and don't want to see them. And feel a bit resentful that a thread about weight loss injections has leaked onto here. (I know I could have hidden it!) I am also wondering why the OP posted this thread and never returned, and am thinking they didn't post it with the best of intentions. More likely to stir up a hornet's nest, and cause arguments. Well, they succeeded!

It's a 'me' problem, but it kind of jars me that people are injecting themselves with something to lose weight, and it doesn't sit right with me, but that's my problem - and not my business if others wish to do it..

I have had an eating disorder for 40 years, and I've been between 9 stone and 15 stone throughout my adult life, and am currently about 11 and a half stone (at 5 ft 3,) and am on a diet as I want to get to ten stone! I have dropped from 12 and a half stone to eleven and a half, in six months, but would like to lose another stone and a half.

I could have the weight loss injections if I wanted to. I could buy them privately and take them. But I just wouldn't do it. I guess I am genuinely worried about not just side effects for people, but long term effects/damage, but I shouldn't have come across as snarky and snide.

And I understand many women have been very overweight for many years and they are finding this drug a dream come true now after struggling so many years to lose weight. They've actually managed to achieve weight loss and many probably will be much healthier as a result of it. And some won't get side effects. (And as a few people have said, loads of (other) meds cause side effects too!)

What I am absolutely against though, is people who are already slim taking it. They're say, 5 ft 3, and only 9 stone 2 or so, and are taking weight loss injections to get to 8 stone! That absolutely should be outlawed. (IMO.) There's actually been evidence that is quite dangerous. People have been harmed from taking these injections when they are already slim.

So if people have got a BMI of 30 or more then yes, they should be allowed to have it. But IMO it really shouldn't be allowed - even privately from online pharmacies if your BMI is less than 30. Surely nobody can disagree with that. I genuinely think they should only be available on prescription/administered by GPs - to stop the abuse of the injections (ie; people who are slim taking them.) And they shouldn't be sold online - like without a prescription. And as I said, your BMI should be 30 or more before you can get them. (JMO.)

But anyway I am sorry if I offended anybody, and good luck to everybody who's taking the injections. I hope you do lose your weight and keep your weight off and stay healthy and happy, and live to 100. No hard feelings. I promise I won't be popping up on any more weight loss threads. Well, if I do, I won't be saying anything negative/rude.

Take care, and happy slimming! Off out into the sunshine for a walk! Have a nice weekend everyone!

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And that is a wrap!