To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

@Itsmahoneybaloney @itwasnevermine exactly my experience too. Fairly low dose, still having to manage my life and calorie count but it's taken away the food noise and in essent occupation woth smacks. It's helping me hugely, alongside team RH learning to calorie count and exercise. I really feel like I can maintain when I come off it once these new skills are a ha it more than the food was. The counselling offered by my prescriber is great too.

i couldn't walk before this. I was so big my back and knees gave way. It's potentially saved me having surgery and saved my life.

Honestly there is so much good about this drug. I'm on week 10. I'm not loosing fast at all but I am finding eating less, not obsessing about food and finding exercising easier a real blessing.

www.reddit.com/r/Mounjaro/s/4EpyBoyrjC

www.reddit.com/r/Mounjaro/s/23IJcu2qnB

Another plopper with the cliché half-baked opinion and zero factual knowledge about the topic and product they're opining on.

RTFT but I doubt it will make a difference anyway. I have second-hand embarassment for some of these posters.

Yeah, these medical professionals and their crazy schemes eh?! Won't somebody think of the kids?

Don't forget all the "dodgy online pharmacies" we're patronising because of our obvious drug addiction + fatness and laziness addiction.

No one said anything remotely similar to that.

You do know every method of weight loss has a very significant level of failure, including the ones you perceive to be sensible? See this BMJ article on weight regain following behavioural weight loss interventions.

It's almost as though teaching good eating and exercise habits isn't the big answer after all....

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1840?origin=serp_auto

So no one said they're worried about "dodgy online pharmacies" or that obese people are basically just lazy, stuffing their faces and won't simply eat less and move more, in other words addicted to laziness and fatness? Yeah okay. (Note the words I put in quotes and the ones I didn't before you come back with another no one said..."

Edit: Oh wait...you wrote it actually and to think i didn't even check who but i know someone did. You wrote: "A lot of people are forking over vast amounts of cash to dodgy online pharmacies. Of course they don't want to be told it's anything but a brilliant idea"

Right, no one said anything remotely similar. Sure.

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It's not so much that some of us are thick, rather that we're not.

We ask questions about products that are allegedly safe, when historically there have been so many drugs pedalled as the world's answer to 'insert problem here' and have turned out to cause death/life changing injury/other major issues.

All drugs have side effects, some only come to light decades later, and best to avoid them unless it's life or death is my motto.

@PrincessofWells you only take medicine if it's life or death? Interesting.

And for me and many of the other posters here, morbid obesity is a life or death issue. The clue is in the name.

Yes. My concern with dodgy online pharmacies which are charging people exorbitant sums for drugs they may feel desperate for, and the patients having no proper medical supervision, has nothing to do with any imaginary hatred of fat people, or laziness, or any other of that shit you just made up.

It is life or death for the people this drug is intended for.

And happily, @PrincessofWells, nobody is asking you to take this medication.

I also absolutely refuse to believe these posters put any thought into a drug prescribed by a gp. They’d just take it.

For some reason, this one is different. I wonder why?

"dodgy online pharmacies which are charging people exorbitant sums for drugs they may feel desperate for, and the patients having no proper medical supervision"

Which pharmacies are dodgy and don't offer proper medical supervision? What would proper medical supervision look like to you?

As an example, I'm currently submitting a week's worth of BP checks, morning and evening, to a pharmacist at my NHS GP surgery. I do that by entering the readings online each day. I have had a phone call with the pharmacist who took my word that I have a BP monitor, that I know how to use it and that the numbers I am entering are actually the ones I got when I did the reading. Is that proper medical supervision?

I would qualify based on underlying health problems unfortunately.
I have no doubt most people are just obtaining this drug via legitimate online pharmacies who are robustly screening each patient to ensure that they meet the criteria.
But having posted on a thread where someone was asking about using the drug to lose a few pounds and being offered it via her hairdressers supplier who can supply it for £150 for 12 weeks supply, I suspect like Botox and fillers it is already widely available under the counter and more likely in counterfeit form.
Is an expensive drug that many women/men will not be able to afford longterm so maybe not the longterm fix necessary to combat obesity.
It would be very easy to obtain it for others for a small handling fee. I can imagine clinically obese women advertising on TikTok to be a surrogate fatty.
This all comes back to the reason why it isn’t recommended for normal to overweight individuals. Why are private pharmacists restricted to prescribing it for the clinically obese? If it is a private prescription why is it heavily ( excuse the pun ) regulated?
If it is safe then why is it on prescription in the first place, the answer may be obvious to some people but we are not all blessed with common sense.
All drugs have side effects, the more people who are exposed to the drug the greater our knowledge becomes. GLP-1 drugs have been licensed in the uk since 2007 but were only very recently licensed for weight loss in obese patients.

Their effects on non diabetic healthy weight patients may be very different than their original target.
No drug is completely safe and 17 yrs is a short time in drug side effects.

So many people are suspicious of routine vaccinations but are queuing for miles for a relatively ne drug that takes the effort out of weight loss.

As an HCP of 40+ years I am cautious and risk averse to anything that seems too good to be true.

Comprehension isn't your strong suit as well, I see. I'm not sure where I said you hate fat people or that you mentioned laziness. To help you out a bit, I put different stupid sentiments from people like you together and made a tongue-in-cheek comment but I see it hit a nerve and you seem to think I was talking about you and claim I made shit up when I didn't even realise you made the first stupid comment about people buying from "dodgy online pharmacies" in the first place. I certainly never claimed that the same poster (you) who made the ignorant comment about dodgy online pharmacies also made the other ignorant ones I mentioned. My comment was simply based on inference from different stupid posts. You could have just laid low and not showed yourself.

You also claimed "no one said anything remotely similar to that" but you did mention "dodgy online pharmacies" (again, note my quotes) so your claim is already inaccurate just for that alone, just like your other comments on this thread.

There's no need to make shit up when posters like you are filling the thread up with quotable ignorant shit.

Someone posted a link possibly 15 pages back to a pharmacy that will prescribe the jabs without even asking for photos or history.

I don't think what you describe is proper medical supervision, no. But as other posters have said, that's a rarity here now. I haven't been able to see a GP myself in over five years now. The whole thing is screwed up.

This thread is crazy. There are many conditions which I do not have which can be successfully treated with drugs albeit with the risk of side effects. Never in a million years would I think it my place to decide thise drugs are a "bad idea* for the people they are aimed at.

@Swivelhead so you are happy to criticise private pharmacies for the same standard of supervision that the NHS offers?

There's a point here about at what point do HCPs trust patients to follow instructions and to be honest in providing information. Is the answer that they never should?

@Angrymum22 if you're a HCP of many years you surely must understand the prescribing rules for prescription medications as per the MHRA? I am surprised that you have asked that question.

Would of thought the medical assessment of the balance of risks, would be a better basis to determine treatment paths, than discounting anything 'too good to be true' which presumably would rule out antibiotics, the contraceptive pill, HRT etc etc

Why are you angry? Are you this rude in real life? You need to talk to someone if a very measured difference of opinion makes you so cross.

You think taking tablets teaches good eating habits? Explain.

whats with the rude responses?

You all must be hangry

Not when the alternative is non invasive, no.

Eating tablets?

Tablets?
Explain

Clue from title: 'jabs'

I just have little patience with the unscientific