To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Perfectly aware, thanks
Your comments on morbid obesity v obesity earlier is referenced

Curious as to why folks are arguing with @PersephonePotts . Thr poster is clearly posting uneducated and ignorant comments and doesn’t understand weight loss injections. It appears he or she thinks the drugs magically melt the fat off of us and we don’t need to eat healthy and learn better eating habits.

if someone is angry and clueless, best leave them to their delusions. Who cares. Those of us who understand the medicine should simply roll our eyes and move on.

This comment @InductionHobRocks
Where you place 'morbid' on bold
That's the one where you believe between morbid obesity alone is worthy of treatment

Spouting nonsense
Enough

Great you the understand not just the genetics but also the epigenetics of obesity.

Not sure I understand where you are coming from. I’ve used two clinics during my journey - one has a health advisors, an app, private facebook page/community, and has a diet programme; the other is run by an endocrinologist where my son is also a patient - he has fortnightly appointments with a dietitian and also sees a life/health coach (this was, in fact, a compulsory component of taking my son, at 16yo, onto the programme.) The friends who have taken the leap onto these medications also engage with a health and lifestyle programme - we are counselled over a low processed carb, higher lean protein diet, on ensuring we achieve 10k steps a day and encouraged to explore weight training.

As with anything there will be those that ignore the advice, who bluff their way through pretending to be compliant, but the assumption that we rely on the jabs with no lifestyle changes is simply ill-informed.

No - here’s another one wilfully taking it the wrong way.

It’s the difference between me being a couple of stone overweight, tipping just into an obese category by BMI standards, but who could reasonably make lifestyle changes, vs someone who has struggled for years and can’t.

These are not my definitions.

So where do you draw the line? Do tell us all as you are FALSELY purporting I’m anti WLI like some of the other zealots on this post. If I want to lose 5 pounds to get to 18 BMI is that ok?

@InductionHobRocks the line is drawn by the prescribing rules as per what was approved for this medication. They are super clear. Of course someone with a BMI of 20 or so who wants to drop 5lbs to get to a BMI of 18 should not and will not be prescribed injections.

Spouting nonsense
Enough

Is exactly right.

It is quite odd that all the posters berating those mentioning any valid concerns re these drugs for being "unscientific" (along with the projections of bitter, jealous, and resentful; uneducated and ignorant; angry and clueless; incorrect; and spouting nonsense) do not appear to have even read the product information insert one hopes was provided with their medication.

What valid concerns?

can you list them for us.

and it’s lovely that you are so altruistic you are concerned about our health.

slow hand clap.

Oh cripes, it's that time of night again.

No long term serious side effects have become apparent despite it being very widely used in major populated countries like the US.

Then how do you explain the serious side effects that are listed in the product information?

Or, indeed, the 50 plus lawsuits in the US?

Quite. So in the range I referred to pretty much “as per the prescribing guidelines”

Americans gonna litigate, in fairness.

I am not referring to the ones in the patient advice leaflet, I'm referring to the additional ones that the doom mongers on these kinds of threads predict as a terrible outcome for those who use them. My point is that these medicines have been in use on a wide scale for many years with no additional serious side effects noted.

The existence of US based class action law suits that have yet to be proven or settled is neither here nor there. It is typical of the US model of healthcare and litigation. Many of the cases are about the already known and listed possible side effects that people are trying to claim they weren't adequately warned about.

Would that be like the anadin and nurofen lawsuits then, you do know in America, the land of the lawsuit, this happens for every single drug right, and it’s a tiny tiny number, as usual and that over 6 million people in the us are on the drug?

The history of withdrawn drugs - drugs that were previously approved by the FDA - is quite repetitive.

I can see that, as well as not reading the product information, many posters have not read the list of previous miracle weightloss drugs that were withdrawn after being found to cause serious adverse effects and/or death.

Centrally Acting Drugs for Obesity: Past, Present, and Future - PMC (nih.gov)

Fen-Phen is the one that sticks out in my mind - both drugs were around for decades before it was withdrawn, as per "but these injections have been around for decades!" It usually takes a few lawsuits, but there is a regular pattern. With multi-billions in profit currently, I don't think the drug companies really care.

I am not referring to the ones in the patient advice leaflet, I'm referring to the additional ones that the doom mongers on these kinds of threads predict

Er, some of those "additional ones" are listed, at least in the US.

Yup. Same time as last night. I think I woke up to about 30 posts by the same spammer poster this morning.

Bright side: there's only 3 pages of this thread left.

The naysayers should just take up a hobby perhaps

All the jabbers are adults who have capacity hp make decisions about seeking treatment. All the medication prescribed is done so for those who meet criteria for treatment.

Like any other field, we do not withhold effective treatments for patients because some individuals may seek it fraudulently.

Like almost every other treatment, no one is going to force you to have it

So settle down, it's nothing to do with you

And no, we don't buy it as concern

One wonders how pp’s would have reacted to the contraceptive pill being released. It revolutionised women’s sexual health. Used to prevent pregnancy, which was a massive thing at the time and enabled women to take control of their bodies and reproductive systems. Used to regulate hormones for females with irregular or heavy bleeding. A real wonder drug that changed the shape of society and could be seen as ‘too good to be true’.

But it has side effects. Fatal side effects in some users. So it’s controlled and only prescribed to those who qualify. Some may seek to have the contraceptive pill prescribed by an online pharmacy by lying on their form. They may suffer the side effects.

But we don’t have an issue with that. We don’t say it’s too good to be true because it offers women sexual liberation with no consequences (sti’s excepted) and also treats other conditions. We don’t worry about those people who suffer DVT or strokes from using the contraceptive drug. We accept that people make their own informed decisions on what they put in their bodies and presume they’ve weighed up the risk vs benefit.

It just seems to be this drug that people are concerned about. We see you. We know why you have the problem with it. You aren’t fooling anyone.

It was an FDA-approved weightloss medication, that was ultimately banned after decades on the market. But thanks for your ever so kind thoughts.

This.

No knechas to take the injections.

Not willing to share what this mystery drug, for weight loss. That was on the market for decades, and then banned, I note you say fda so it was in America?

this morning I took my weekly injection, and weighed myself. All I could think was they have cured obesity, someone somewhere in a white coat, has cured obesity.

And I’m so grateful to that person, as it is huge, curing obesity is a major major breakthrough in science and health care provision.

so many people on this thread, resentful of that fact. But for me, all I feel is gratitude.

It reminds me of this random post I saw on Facebook. I posted on another ridiculous WLI-bashing thread.

They call it cheating and every other term that posters have thrown at it.