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To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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Pineconecollector · 23/10/2024 09:58

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

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SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:17

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:12

Have you studied medicine?

Has @Angrymum22? You seem quite sure of her credentials being superior to anyone else’s on this thread.

Honestly, I just don’t know why you keep banging on. You don’t have to take this medicine. The people who are have made an informed choice. Nobody needs @poisongreen to educate them.

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 00:17

Just did HTH.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:22

SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:17

Has @Angrymum22? You seem quite sure of her credentials being superior to anyone else’s on this thread.

Honestly, I just don’t know why you keep banging on. You don’t have to take this medicine. The people who are have made an informed choice. Nobody needs @poisongreen to educate them.

Why don't you ask her yourself.

There is an entire board for enthusiastic users of injectables. I don't see why I should be silenced on one thread - outside that board - for giving my thoughts.

I think caution should be used, in regard to anything that could lead to worse health outcomes than one would ever desire. Obviously, for the morbidly obese these are an excellent tool. But to my mind the risks currently outweigh the perceived benefits of those who are merely like me somewhat overweight.

Your risk/benefit calculations may be less conservative than mine. But to be so allergic to easily verifiable facts is quite odd.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:25

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 00:17

Just did HTH.

What? No, you didn't. God bless.

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 00:26

Nobody reasonable is suggesting that people who are not obese should be able to take these medicines! Who are you arguing with about that? Ffs.

You just seem to enjoy scaremongering about side effects of these particular medicines for reasons unknown, rather than any other prescription medication that people legitimately use.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:30

I said morbidly obese. You are not a very good reader.

It is not scaremongering to point out well-known facts. If you are so scared by anyone urging some caution, then hide this thread.

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 00:30

I see you're unable or unwilling to address the specific points that I made about your inaccurate and misleading comments, unsurprisingly.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:31

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 00:30

I see you're unable or unwilling to address the specific points that I made about your inaccurate and misleading comments, unsurprisingly.

Because you haven't told me which ones are "innacurate"! Bizarrely.

SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:32

I’m asking you because you said that that particular poster had a ‘far better understanding than most’ with regard to the injections so I presumed you’d seen her credentials.

Where have I indicated I’m ’allergic to easily verifiable facts’?! I’m well aware there are risks to taking the medication. So are most users.

What I don’t understand is what you’re getting out of this? Why you keep returning to this thread to bang on and on. Do you have some kind of need to be agreed with? Are you hoping people will say ‘fuck me, I had no idea - I’ll knock these killer injections on the head’? It makes no sense. It’s like an odd compulsion.

Ambienteamber · 25/10/2024 00:33

Well of course they are a bad move if you've lied to get them!
They are for people who are obese. At risk of obesity related health issues.
They will help with that.
If you aren't obese then yes it's a very bad idea to take then as the side effects will outweigh the benefits.
But for people struggling with long term obesity then the risks do not outweigh the benefits at all.

CautiousLurker1 · 25/10/2024 00:35

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:04

Oh, yes, Harvard Medical School - famous for its "innacurate nonsense".

No, an article written by a journalist in HMS’s online paper. Not research. Not even a balanced review of the data and body of recent research written by a clinical doctor.

Lots of research published this year, including a longitudinal study of 22k semaglutide users and 20.2 liraglutide users that provide better and more accurate evidence that these medications are safe to use and that the benefits massively outweigh the risks presented by obesity.

I will trust the evidence and advice of a professor of endocrinology from a leading UK medical school and associated hospital (ie my clinician) over sensationalist journalism.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:38

It's a discussion forum. This is AIBU. One might ask why are you returning over and over to this thread to bang on about the topic, and incorrectly correct other posters. Surely there are enough threads on the injectables board for people to extoll the virtues of these drugs? Why shouldn't there be the odd thread where people point out the downsides or urge cautions.

SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:43

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:38

It's a discussion forum. This is AIBU. One might ask why are you returning over and over to this thread to bang on about the topic, and incorrectly correct other posters. Surely there are enough threads on the injectables board for people to extoll the virtues of these drugs? Why shouldn't there be the odd thread where people point out the downsides or urge cautions.

Where have I incorrectly corrected someone? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

CautiousLurker1 · 25/10/2024 00:44

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:38

It's a discussion forum. This is AIBU. One might ask why are you returning over and over to this thread to bang on about the topic, and incorrectly correct other posters. Surely there are enough threads on the injectables board for people to extoll the virtues of these drugs? Why shouldn't there be the odd thread where people point out the downsides or urge cautions.

Because ‘discussion’ involves presenting both sides of an argument? And a forum is open to anyone wishing to comment.

Scaremongering, by the way, is not discussion. Nor is misrepresentation of the current research. Both are irresponsible.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:44

SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:43

Where have I incorrectly corrected someone? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

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Do you really want me to make a list?

SwingTheMonkey · 25/10/2024 00:45

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:44

Do you really want me to make a list?

Please do.

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:51

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I’ve been through the whole thread - nothing else to do, I’m just laying on a sun lounger!

It’s just you and the other poster I’ve said that to. Because you’re both weirdly obsessed with the subject. Normally people who don’t want to take a medication… just don’t?

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 01:12

I'm not weirdly obsessed with the subject. I made a bland (factual) three-word comment and was jumped on multiple times, and clarified it (again jumped on). If this was a thread about PPIs I would be similarly interested, and with more factual cautionary points, and my own experience.

I have no experience of these new drugs, but I do have experience of considerable injury to my health with earlier fab new drugs on the block, back when I was young, already thin and a bit messed up in the head and would have taken and done anything to be even thinner. I don't wish to go into this.

The thread is full of posters going on, and on, and on, and telling other posters they are wrong - but they are pro-whatever brand name-injectible. Why don't you ask them why they are so "weirdly obsessed" and so very defensive.

Swivelhead · 25/10/2024 01:56

"If it seems too good to be true..."

A lot of people are forking over vast amounts of cash to dodgy online pharmacies. Of course they don't want to be told it's anything but a brilliant idea

WorriedRelative · 25/10/2024 02:44

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 00:22

Why don't you ask her yourself.

There is an entire board for enthusiastic users of injectables. I don't see why I should be silenced on one thread - outside that board - for giving my thoughts.

I think caution should be used, in regard to anything that could lead to worse health outcomes than one would ever desire. Obviously, for the morbidly obese these are an excellent tool. But to my mind the risks currently outweigh the perceived benefits of those who are merely like me somewhat overweight.

Your risk/benefit calculations may be less conservative than mine. But to be so allergic to easily verifiable facts is quite odd.

Well the good news is that people's who are somewhat overweight aren't eligible for weightloss injections, even privately.

They are only available to the clinically obese.

Searchingforthelight · 25/10/2024 05:13

Swivelhead · 25/10/2024 01:56

"If it seems too good to be true..."

A lot of people are forking over vast amounts of cash to dodgy online pharmacies. Of course they don't want to be told it's anything but a brilliant idea

Nope

Online pharmacies being used are not 'dodgy'

And it's an effective drug, not 'if it seems too good to be true'
Do you say sertraline 'seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats depression?.
Do you say omeprazole' seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats reflux
Do you say amoxicillin 'seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats infection?

Why bother with extensive trials and evidence, and indeed modern medicine at all- in your incorrect, unscientific and invalid opinion

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 06:37

They are only available to the clinically obese.

Like Sharon Osbourne.

MmePick · 25/10/2024 06:41

Sharon Osborne could well have been clinically obese before the drugs

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 06:52

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 01:12

I'm not weirdly obsessed with the subject. I made a bland (factual) three-word comment and was jumped on multiple times, and clarified it (again jumped on). If this was a thread about PPIs I would be similarly interested, and with more factual cautionary points, and my own experience.

I have no experience of these new drugs, but I do have experience of considerable injury to my health with earlier fab new drugs on the block, back when I was young, already thin and a bit messed up in the head and would have taken and done anything to be even thinner. I don't wish to go into this.

The thread is full of posters going on, and on, and on, and telling other posters they are wrong - but they are pro-whatever brand name-injectible. Why don't you ask them why they are so "weirdly obsessed" and so very defensive.

Honestly no one is going to stop taking them as you’ve issues. You can remain overweight, do it the hard way, sit tutting in the corner, spam the internet with your concerns, it will not change anything.

personally I spoke to my doctor before embarking on this journey. She told me she’d been prescribing these medications for years, and had good results. She told me that if she could prescribe she would, but they weren’t approved for people below 40 bmi, which she felt was a very sad situation, as it is due to funding, and so many could benefit. And that she would monitor me, as it was likely I would be able to come off my blood pressure meds as my weight dropped, she is the sort of person I listen to, not you.

the drugs are approved by the mhra after stringent testing, the fda in the usa. doctors have been prescribing them for years, decades, and at all levels , from endreconologists to gp’s.

i feel fantastic, I cannot beleive how good I feel. I have so much energy I work out most days, the inflammation has gone from my body, no more stiff ankles, my plantar fascilitus has totally gone, I sleep better, and my sleep apnea is I’d say about 80 percent cured, the anxious jittery feeling I had has gone and I’m now calm, likely as my blood sugars are now stable, I have lost only half a stone , as it’s two weeks, so that will be mainly water, and I’m about to do my third injection. So this drug is curing way more than obesity. They are now looking to approve for cardiovascular health.

people with weight issues, will be saved from heart attack, cancer, stroke, diabetes, joint replacements, have a better quality of life, the nhs will save billions in treating these patients . Freeing up resources to ensure better health care provision for non obesity related Illnesses, from local doctors to hospital beds.

and yes, we might be obsessive, because most of us have struggled with our weight, suffered the health consquences, both mental and physical, for years and years, and now we can fix that, with a drug that is regulated and safe. Sure a small minority have side effects, like some do eating peanut butter, or taking nurofen, but you start on a low dose, and as long as you follow the medical advice on dosage and how to take, the very low risks are minimised further.

why anyone would take issue with these things, is a good question and one that indicates strongly they have a back story, they don’t wish to reveal. Like fat and can’t afford it, or slim and worked so hard at it they are pissed that advantage will now be gone,

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