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To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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Pineconecollector · 23/10/2024 09:58

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

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poisongreen · 25/10/2024 07:14

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 06:52

Honestly no one is going to stop taking them as you’ve issues. You can remain overweight, do it the hard way, sit tutting in the corner, spam the internet with your concerns, it will not change anything.

personally I spoke to my doctor before embarking on this journey. She told me she’d been prescribing these medications for years, and had good results. She told me that if she could prescribe she would, but they weren’t approved for people below 40 bmi, which she felt was a very sad situation, as it is due to funding, and so many could benefit. And that she would monitor me, as it was likely I would be able to come off my blood pressure meds as my weight dropped, she is the sort of person I listen to, not you.

the drugs are approved by the mhra after stringent testing, the fda in the usa. doctors have been prescribing them for years, decades, and at all levels , from endreconologists to gp’s.

i feel fantastic, I cannot beleive how good I feel. I have so much energy I work out most days, the inflammation has gone from my body, no more stiff ankles, my plantar fascilitus has totally gone, I sleep better, and my sleep apnea is I’d say about 80 percent cured, the anxious jittery feeling I had has gone and I’m now calm, likely as my blood sugars are now stable, I have lost only half a stone , as it’s two weeks, so that will be mainly water, and I’m about to do my third injection. So this drug is curing way more than obesity. They are now looking to approve for cardiovascular health.

people with weight issues, will be saved from heart attack, cancer, stroke, diabetes, joint replacements, have a better quality of life, the nhs will save billions in treating these patients . Freeing up resources to ensure better health care provision for non obesity related Illnesses, from local doctors to hospital beds.

and yes, we might be obsessive, because most of us have struggled with our weight, suffered the health consquences, both mental and physical, for years and years, and now we can fix that, with a drug that is regulated and safe. Sure a small minority have side effects, like some do eating peanut butter, or taking nurofen, but you start on a low dose, and as long as you follow the medical advice on dosage and how to take, the very low risks are minimised further.

why anyone would take issue with these things, is a good question and one that indicates strongly they have a back story, they don’t wish to reveal. Like fat and can’t afford it, or slim and worked so hard at it they are pissed that advantage will now be gone,

Rude. I don't have issues. I value my health.

But good on you for being a guinea pig.

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 07:20

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 07:14

Rude. I don't have issues. I value my health.

But good on you for being a guinea pig.

Issues with the drug, and yes you do. And if you value your health so much, why are you overweight. And again, these drugs are not in the trial phase, so none of us are guinea pigs.

but your bitter little comment reveals more than you’d like us to know.

Searchingforthelight · 25/10/2024 07:51

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 07:20

Issues with the drug, and yes you do. And if you value your health so much, why are you overweight. And again, these drugs are not in the trial phase, so none of us are guinea pigs.

but your bitter little comment reveals more than you’d like us to know.

Guinea pig is hilarious

We can conclude @poisongreen knows absolutely nothing of science and trials and stop arguing with ignorance

At least she's given us a good laugh ' guinea pig' 😂

CautiousLurker1 · 25/10/2024 08:17

Searchingforthelight · 25/10/2024 07:51

Guinea pig is hilarious

We can conclude @poisongreen knows absolutely nothing of science and trials and stop arguing with ignorance

At least she's given us a good laugh ' guinea pig' 😂

No effort to engage with the posts that cite the actual research, the longitudinal studies (based on decades of diabetes patients who have been taking drugs within this family of medications) or the advice given by people trained in endocrinology or weight management practice.

The vitriol and misinformation, the borderline abuse of PPs using it under the care of clinicians who teach medical students as well as run hospital departments and have 30 years clinical experience, is reckless and dangerous. No one reading these post should be shamed or ridiculed because foolish posters read sensationalist media articles that ridicule elderly women who no longer look supple and glamorous (Osbourne has struggled with weight -and yes obesity - on and off for decades and is in her seventies - ANY 70yo woman with sudden extreme weight loss will look gaunt regardless of the method of doing so.),

And I hope those with obesity and comorbid illnesses browsing these threads will seek the counsel of experts if they feel they might help them rather than MN scaremongers uninformed posts. My neighbours are GPs, I talked to them about it one day when they commented how well I looked. I almost whispered it in shame as I expected pushback. They were really intrigued and signed up to attend a conference/CPD training to find out more because it’s not something they’ve really been trained in or had an opportunity to learn about while practicing. GP are not specialists either (the clue is in the name - General practitioners) unless they have attended post qualification specialism training.

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 08:34

Folks, when people have had very traumatic experiences, this can leave them with an altered risk perception and heightened personal vigilance. Let's extend some understanding in light of the disclosure down thread?

Fourfurrymonsters · 25/10/2024 08:35

poisongreen · 25/10/2024 07:14

Rude. I don't have issues. I value my health.

But good on you for being a guinea pig.

That is such an odd response to someone who’s literally telling you how much this drug has improved her health and is therefore placing higher value on it. I’ve read your posts with interest but honestly you’re just coming across as somewhat bitter and illogical now for some reason.

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 09:02

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 08:34

Folks, when people have had very traumatic experiences, this can leave them with an altered risk perception and heightened personal vigilance. Let's extend some understanding in light of the disclosure down thread?

What very traumatic experience are you referring to. I may have missed it? Are you talking about the likely use of illegal drugs when young to be thin? I guess the poster means speed or similar. She’d need to clarify. But I’d refrain from judging anything as very traumatic experience until the poster clarifies. Unless of course I’ve missed something?

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 09:10

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 08:34

Folks, when people have had very traumatic experiences, this can leave them with an altered risk perception and heightened personal vigilance. Let's extend some understanding in light of the disclosure down thread?

Also that doesn’t really explain why a person would be bitchy to others. No one is asking them to take the drug. But again, I’ve no idea what very traumatic experience you’re referring to and must have missed something.

FriendlyFriend · 25/10/2024 09:21

I personally think they are a great weightloss tool. Yes, mentally people need to work on themselves/look at their diet and exercise but if they are willing to do this alongside taking the jab, i dont see a problem. These jabs have been used (well wegovy/ozempic) around for 19 years. Minimal drug adverse events registered in that time. Ive got 7 stone to shift. Im on the verge of starting this weightloss aide via online pharmacies within the next week (bar a discussion with gp on monday). Im seeing it as a one time opportunity and will hopefully stick to healthy eating/exercise following coming off it.

surely, if the medication is there, we should use it to free up NHS resources. Its a no brainer in my eyes. Id prefer to order via gp and still pay for it, i feel a little worried about ordering online as ive never heard of most of these pharmacies.

SilenceInside · 25/10/2024 09:38

@FriendlyFriend you can order from Asda, Boots, Superdrug, LLoyds, Ashcroft, Pharmacy2U (who are used by the NHS to fulfill NHS prescriptions), Zava (who partner with Asda to provide it under their brand) and so on which are all well known or reputable pharmacies. The other lesser known names will all be GPhC registered and you can check their registration on the GPhC website and read their most recent compliance report and see what grading they get and if they've had any sanctions or directions to improve.

CautiousLurker1 · 25/10/2024 09:56

@FriendlyFriend I really hope that after a consult with your GP and the online pharmacy you will supported down this route. I have lost just under 6st and my health has not been this good since having my first child 19years ago. I have a tiny bit of crepy skin on my thighs, but am hoping weight training, daily exfoliation/moisturising etc will improve that. If not, I can definitely live with it as i’s not as if I wander the house and streets nearby in a bikini now I’m in my fifties!! My face/neck is fine and I look younger rather than older. It has taken me 15m as I’ve been happy to lose slowly by healthy lifestyle changes and exercise and refuse to do faddy very low calorie methods.

I think the slower approach helps with skin elasticity/appearance, but it may just be genes! I want to get to the end having a healthy relationship with food because without the meds even extreme dieting and exercise did not shift the weight, so I know I will have to watch what I eat for life as I just don’t have a high metabolism and have to accept this. I may also be in the camp of taking a low maintenance dose for life but will explore this with my consultant (I have hypothyroidism and PCOS so have been on/off diabetic medication for this for 2 decades for insulin control, so am not concerned if this is the recommended outcome).

I wish you luck - but do ask the pharmacy lots of questions so that you are fully reassured if you do down this route. Just as you would when exploring any other long term medication. 🤞

Swivelhead · 25/10/2024 10:13

Searchingforthelight · 25/10/2024 05:13

Nope

Online pharmacies being used are not 'dodgy'

And it's an effective drug, not 'if it seems too good to be true'
Do you say sertraline 'seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats depression?.
Do you say omeprazole' seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats reflux
Do you say amoxicillin 'seems too good to be true' when it effectively treats infection?

Why bother with extensive trials and evidence, and indeed modern medicine at all- in your incorrect, unscientific and invalid opinion

I am far from anti-medicine, though I only recognise the antibiotic from the drugs you listed (and good luck finding a doctor who will give you those these days).

It's the unsupervised nature of this that is quite troubling (actual lolz at "there is NOTHING dodgy about online pharmacies who prescribe without clapping eyes on the patient or knowing their medical history..." -- sure, Jan). I had to take roaccutane about a decade ago (an acne drug), and though it was instantly effective for my skin I am so glad it was under strict strict strict medical supervision with monthly check ups, as my doctor stopped prescribing the drug when I told her about the suicide fantasies and shaking rages I'd started experiencing.

A doctor would presumably check not only how patients were faring on these jabs mentally as well as physically but that they were doing plenty of weight training to reduce the proportion of weight loss that came from muscle and bone tissue, at the very least.

If we remove the doctor from the equation we are removing that line of defence and putting our lives directly in the hands of drug companies, whose interest in us is purely pecuniary, I'm sure you'd agree.

sleepylittlebunnies · 25/10/2024 10:37

@Swivelhead i would prefer to have a GP monitoring me but as they wouldn’t prescribe it, I went to an online pharmacy. They took a medical history and I had to upload a full height photograph and a pic of my passport. They also inform the GP.

I have a BMI of 39 and am diagnosed with high blood pressure and high cholesterol, with a strong family history of cardiac disease. GP told me that it is only prescribed via specialist weight loss service and only for obesity with a complication such as diabetes. I had all my bloods done recently for my annual hypertension review and will at least continue to have those done.

I’ve been on the starter dose for 3 weeks and have had no side effects. I get hungry and make sure what I eat is nutritious as I can only eat small portions before I’m full. I just don’t think about food anymore unless I am actually hungry.

Swivelhead · 25/10/2024 10:42

I so hope it works out well for you, sleepy. It's insane you can't get the drug under GP supervision with a BMI of 39- so you're supposed to just wait till you develop diabetes, presumably. Foolish system.

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 10:48

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 09:02

What very traumatic experience are you referring to. I may have missed it? Are you talking about the likely use of illegal drugs when young to be thin? I guess the poster means speed or similar. She’d need to clarify. But I’d refrain from judging anything as very traumatic experience until the poster clarifies. Unless of course I’ve missed something?

I don't want to make this worse, in case this a trauma response from someone. Let's keep an open mind and be kind?

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 10:49

It's the unsupervised nature of this that is quite troubling

your doctor is notified if you are on it, and only recently they have been firmly instructed to check every patient on it to ensure no one who should not be on it is, however drugs like mounjaro you can take at a healthy weight, many will be on it for life.

The risk is the underweight, the people who will abuse it. Not take the right doses, use expired medicine,take too much, going for total suppression etc, but that risk would be the same if a doctor was overseeing, medicines that benefit people have been abused by a small minority since they were invented. No way round it. A black market will always exist. But the overwhelming Majority of patients will behave responsibly with the drug, just as they do with heavy duty painkillers or any other medication a fraction of society like to abuse, and you can’t have a situation where millions of people turn up for a jab every week due to those abusers. The cost and logistics would be enormous; you simply put enough controls in place, and accept like other drugs, some desperate people will behave irresponsibly.

me personlly I’m being monitored by my gp, she’s kindly taking the time to ensure I don’t go over on my blood pressure meds as my weight comes down, and also running regular blood tests as the bp meds can cause significant health issues that need to be caught early, but most people don’t need this.

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 10:52

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 10:48

I don't want to make this worse, in case this a trauma response from someone. Let's keep an open mind and be kind?

I’m sorry if you can’t articulate what your concern is, I think you need to accept that the poster is being deeply unkind, and people are explaining patiently and defending themselves from the digs, if the poster is so out of control this is a trauma response they should get off the thread. But you cannot ask people to just allow disinformation and attacks lie.

be kind is a heinous instruction to women to allow them to be abused.

fairycakes1234 · 25/10/2024 10:56

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 07:20

Issues with the drug, and yes you do. And if you value your health so much, why are you overweight. And again, these drugs are not in the trial phase, so none of us are guinea pigs.

but your bitter little comment reveals more than you’d like us to know.

I agree with everything you've said, I was 15 stone and now down to 13 taking injections and I have a new lease of life, can move and exercise better, making good choices with food, my mental health has improved, how are we guuinea pigs?

CoverMeInMarmalade · 25/10/2024 11:01

A doctor would presumably check not only how patients were faring on these jabs mentally as well as physically but that they were doing plenty of weight training to reduce the proportion of weight loss that came from muscle and bone tissue, at the very least.

I just don't think this reflects the current status of healthcare.

My mum must be on about 20 medications for various things and it's the pharmacist calls her up every x months for a 'medication review' - that takes about 10 minutes. Never sees her. Any interaction with her GP takes place via on online message system.

From my own experience, over the last 10 years through shingles, early covid, breast lumps and a few other ailments, I have never seen my GP. Just online messaging resulting in being asked to go to the pharmacist or being referred (without being seen) to a hopsital.

I just don't think the ideal of a local GP that knows you and see you regularly is anything close to the reality for many people, these days. Sad though that is.

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 11:03

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 10:52

I’m sorry if you can’t articulate what your concern is, I think you need to accept that the poster is being deeply unkind, and people are explaining patiently and defending themselves from the digs, if the poster is so out of control this is a trauma response they should get off the thread. But you cannot ask people to just allow disinformation and attacks lie.

be kind is a heinous instruction to women to allow them to be abused.

In this instance it's just flagging this may be a trauma response. Everyone will make their own judgements.

Searchingforthelight · 25/10/2024 11:23

Swivelhead · 25/10/2024 10:13

I am far from anti-medicine, though I only recognise the antibiotic from the drugs you listed (and good luck finding a doctor who will give you those these days).

It's the unsupervised nature of this that is quite troubling (actual lolz at "there is NOTHING dodgy about online pharmacies who prescribe without clapping eyes on the patient or knowing their medical history..." -- sure, Jan). I had to take roaccutane about a decade ago (an acne drug), and though it was instantly effective for my skin I am so glad it was under strict strict strict medical supervision with monthly check ups, as my doctor stopped prescribing the drug when I told her about the suicide fantasies and shaking rages I'd started experiencing.

A doctor would presumably check not only how patients were faring on these jabs mentally as well as physically but that they were doing plenty of weight training to reduce the proportion of weight loss that came from muscle and bone tissue, at the very least.

If we remove the doctor from the equation we are removing that line of defence and putting our lives directly in the hands of drug companies, whose interest in us is purely pecuniary, I'm sure you'd agree.

In my case mine a doctor leads on my case and prescribes mine ( Asda)

However you only have to look at the NHS to see that doctors have been taken away from many areas and I agree it's lowering of standards of healthcare. There are pharmacists, nurses, surgical care practitioners, advanced nurse practitioners, none of whom have done any medical training, but are employed within the NHS to do what is actually medical practice.

Not to mention physician assistants/associates who have hardly trained a wet week and are being placed front line in GP practices

Yes the government and NHS have taken your doctor's away and that's why there are increasing compensation bills to pay, as services are full of non-doctors instead of doctors now.

But I have a GP via Asda prescribing mine

Bossygal · 25/10/2024 11:28

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 11:03

In this instance it's just flagging this may be a trauma response. Everyone will make their own judgements.

It also might just be a fat person who is envious and resentful as they want the drugs and can’t afford them. It might be a slim person who doesn’t want eveyone else to be slim. Who knows. Every one should be kind and my responses have been very balanced, there is no unkindness even though I am receiving it. Everyone has a story. Traumatised people could be posting and reading. People who want to take the medication but are scared. We are all anonymous. And no one knows our history.

Chasqui · 25/10/2024 12:34

@Bossygal agreed.

sleepylittlebunnies · 25/10/2024 14:35

Thank you @Swivelhead. I was diagnosed with high blood pressure about 18 months ago but have never seen a GP. It was the practice nurse at first and surprisingly to me, as many people feel fat shamed at their doctor’s surgery, nothing was mentioned about my weight or BMI when I commenced medication, nor this year at or after my review. I didn’t even see a nurse for my review, it was a HCA who took bloods and all my measurements.

It was only when I sent my week of BP readings that I attached a message about weight loss injections. I’m not holding out much hope of being monitored but I am very glad I can manage the cost of the injections and have the equipment and a bit of knowledge as a nurse to monitor my clinical ovservations.

Angrymum22 · 25/10/2024 15:21

Bossygal · 24/10/2024 22:10

You really need to read up, honestly. You’re posting such erroneous stuff, these drugs have been used close to two decades. They do know what happens to the pancreas. You don’t, fair enough, but don’t say we. They have been tested on teens and immature bodies.

I understand you’re upset and annoyed people can now take medication and get slim, for reasons I doubt you will reveal. But making stuff up and posting it is a little silly. As is the faux concern about teenage girls. But no mention of the other drugs available on thr black market to young people, the addictive drugs, the damaging ones. Or the teenage girls who will be eligible to take it.

whatever is causing your upset. Be it you can’t afford them yourself and want them, or don’t want people to be slim, whatever, posting erroneous stuff isn’t ok.

I have no problem with using the drug, but early studies suggest that for many it will need to be taken for life. It is basically an appetite suppressant, I know it’s slightly more complex than that but it is possible to lose the same amount of weight by lifestyle adjustments which are likely to be more permanent and not necessitate continuing cost to the NHS.

I just think that the problem isn’t how to lose weight but how to prevent weight gain. Often the damage is done by the time you reach obesity level so you are still going to cost the NHS money and for many as soon as you come off the drug you start gaining weight. It’s a quick fix for a longterm problem.

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