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To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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Pineconecollector · 23/10/2024 09:58

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

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MikeRafone · 23/10/2024 16:27

a quick google for possible side effects and found

increase risk of certain thyroid cancers in animals when they were tested....

Gr8bolsoffyre · 23/10/2024 16:29

The whole thing is bonkers. And comes down to making rich people richer. Much like the entire diet and fitness industry.

Daisymay11 · 23/10/2024 16:29

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:26

Yeah I wondered that too. As the OP said, there appears to be some people using them who don't need to lose weight. I have recently heard about some women using them when they're not even overweight. One was like 5 ft 5 - and 9 and a half stone - and a size 10. But she wanted to lose a stone to a stone and a half, and get to a size 6.

I mean, WTAF? Confused These injections are not being policed, and it's terrifying. It's a ticking time bomb IMO.

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Your assuming the op your referring to ,is being honest
I'm taking them ,and they were not easy to get
And my doctor was notified by the pharmacy I bought them from.
Any drug can be got on the black market ,that's an individual choice and risk to take .

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:30

doodleschnoodle · 23/10/2024 16:24

The good news is that weight loss is only the tip of the iceberg. These drugs are being studied for a whole range of stuff, including reducing the risk of heart attacks, kidney disease and strokes in healthy BMI people, reducing the risk of some cancers, reducing the effects of some brain disorders, a potential treatment for fatty liver disease, sleep apnea. Very exciting medications for a whole range of people.

But why are people with any of those certain conditions not being encouraged to lose weight in a healthy manner, and exercise more, instead of pumping toxic crap into their veins, that will result in who knows what side effects a few years down the line?!

Even NOW, whilst they are on this drug, many people are suffering side effects. Conveniently the people on MN who are taking them are choosing to not mention them.

Bibulous · 23/10/2024 16:31

MikeRafone · 23/10/2024 16:27

a quick google for possible side effects and found

increase risk of certain thyroid cancers in animals when they were tested....

What are the cancer risks for obesity?

soupfiend · 23/10/2024 16:31

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:30

But why are people with any of those certain conditions not being encouraged to lose weight in a healthy manner, and exercise more, instead of pumping toxic crap into their veins, that will result in who knows what side effects a few years down the line?!

Even NOW, whilst they are on this drug, many people are suffering side effects. Conveniently the people on MN who are taking them are choosing to not mention them.

You didnt read that post properly did you?

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 23/10/2024 16:32

It's not so much the jabs themselves, it's that people are not being referred for mental health or dietetics services alongside them even when paying private. It will help people lose weight but if disordered eating was what lead to the weight gain it won't help change the fundamental behaviour. I get the need to make a dent in UK obesity levels but just getting people to lose weight is like putting a sticking plaster on a gaping wound.

LolaLouise · 23/10/2024 16:33

Searchingforthelight · 23/10/2024 16:08

This is the crux of the matter
Some people know little about addition, the reward system, compulsions let alone about lepton, ghrelin and GLP-1 etc

No doubt when they get hypertension they'll want treatment for it, but god forbid otherwise with a condition (that they clearly now nothing about) get treatment

They should practice some self reflection. Why do they object to obesity being treated, to fatties becoming normal weight. What is it that they don't like about this? That's a very interesting question, I think

This. All of this.

Its still socially acceptable to berate the fat person, and any efforts made by them to reduce their weight, especially the vast majority of fat people who yoyo and diet constantly trying the latest fad diet that simply does not work for them long term. Its still socially acceptable for someone of a healthy weight to feel morally superior to those who aren't. It doesn't matter how much science, backed by medical testing is shown to them, that the injections work by increasing hormonal receptors, and in those who already have adequate receptors, it doesn't work, therefore logically, medically, and scientifically proving there is a hormonal issue that impacts weight gain, they will argue till the end of time it a simple self control issue, and they are morally superior as they are able to show this without a medication to assist them. If all the fat people get thinner, who are they going to lord it over then?

Im on it, i was prediabetic, i was a size 18/20 i bounced between that size and a 12 for 25 years. getting to a 12 sapped any joy from my life, i was constantly hungry, my blood glucose would drop to dangerous levels, id pass out, my mental health was shot. It was unsustainable. Id stop, bounce straight back to size 18, and it didnt matter how much i ate id stay that size. Now my weight is affecting my health, it affects my ability to do my job. I do CPR regularly, i was swapping out more frequently than colleagues. Im now a month into MJ and ive lost just over a stone. I have a long way to go, but its sustainable. My blood sugar is remaining stable. Its not all consuming, every element of my life focused around what i can and cant eat. Its given me clarity to lose weight, but shifted my focus to other areas of my life whilst doing it. For the first time in my adult life i actually have energy for living whilst losing weight. Its game changing. But its not magic. Im still counting calories, im still having to increase exercise, but i can do that, because im not stuck in this mental hell hole where the only thing i think about is food.

I will pay for this injection every months that i have left alive if necessary. Because it has changed so much, not just the number i see on the number i see on the scale.

People can feel morally superior to me all they want, it will change nothing, because MJ has made me a happier person, better at my job, a better parent. Their small minded uneducated opinions cant change that.

However, i will continue to post on threads like this, in the albeit unlikely hope, some people do learn something and realise that these injections are life changing for a reason, and that its a medication that treats hormonal imbalance, it doesnt just supress appetites.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:34

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 23/10/2024 16:32

It's not so much the jabs themselves, it's that people are not being referred for mental health or dietetics services alongside them even when paying private. It will help people lose weight but if disordered eating was what lead to the weight gain it won't help change the fundamental behaviour. I get the need to make a dent in UK obesity levels but just getting people to lose weight is like putting a sticking plaster on a gaping wound.

100% this. ^ Excellent post. You're shouting into the wind on here with some people though. Won't see the obvious that is right under their nose. Sad really. And worrying. Sad

SilenceInside · 23/10/2024 16:34

MikeRafone · 23/10/2024 16:27

a quick google for possible side effects and found

increase risk of certain thyroid cancers in animals when they were tested....

There is no proven thyroid cancer risk in humans, and no cases of thyroid cancer ever found in any of the extensive and long-running human trials. In some rat and mice experiments, where they were given huge overdoses daily for their entire lifespan there was an increase in thyroid cancer.

As a precaution, people with pre-existing additional risk factors for two specific thyroid cancers are usually told not to add to that risk.

SwingTheMonkey · 23/10/2024 16:34

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:30

But why are people with any of those certain conditions not being encouraged to lose weight in a healthy manner, and exercise more, instead of pumping toxic crap into their veins, that will result in who knows what side effects a few years down the line?!

Even NOW, whilst they are on this drug, many people are suffering side effects. Conveniently the people on MN who are taking them are choosing to not mention them.

Choosing not to mention them or aren’t suffering from them?

And have you thought about putting yourself forward for a job in the government? They could use someone like you to solve the obesity crisis. Nobody has ever thought about getting people with weight related diseases to eat healthier and exercise. Absolutely revolutionary 👏

soupfiend · 23/10/2024 16:36

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 23/10/2024 16:32

It's not so much the jabs themselves, it's that people are not being referred for mental health or dietetics services alongside them even when paying private. It will help people lose weight but if disordered eating was what lead to the weight gain it won't help change the fundamental behaviour. I get the need to make a dent in UK obesity levels but just getting people to lose weight is like putting a sticking plaster on a gaping wound.

Not everyone, in fact I would say the minority of people, have MH or ignorance about nutrition which has caused or contributed to their weight gain.

A lot of this is simply a physical issue, wanting to eat more, programmed to do so, able to do so and a medical physical solution is needed. As my GP said to me on more than one occasion, you just needed the mechanics to stop you eating so much.

You assume that people who are overweight dont have any understanding of what a healthy lifestyle is and you also assume that we all need educating of that.

Its not a sticking plaster, it is the solution for the vast majority of us

What I will say though, is that being morbidly obese is not great for your MH or self esteem. Weight is a massive contributing factor to many people's poor MH

doodleschnoodle · 23/10/2024 16:37

@LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway Those conditions aren't all related to obesity though? Or should people with Parkinson's or kidney disease just eat less and move more? The whole point of my post was that these drugs are looking like they may be beneficial to parts of the wider population who aren't obese too, and who have various conditions or risk factors. It also suggests that while we know many of the negative side effects, as more people use these drugs and we get more data, perhaps other benefits will be uncovered too.

Fatty liver disease has been a treatment wasteland for ages, for example. It's exciting that these drugs might offer some hope.

Daisymay11 · 23/10/2024 16:37

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 23/10/2024 16:30

But why are people with any of those certain conditions not being encouraged to lose weight in a healthy manner, and exercise more, instead of pumping toxic crap into their veins, that will result in who knows what side effects a few years down the line?!

Even NOW, whilst they are on this drug, many people are suffering side effects. Conveniently the people on MN who are taking them are choosing to not mention them.

People are being encouraged to loose weight..anyone getting help from the doctor has to get to tier 3 ,and god the hoops you have to jump through to get to that ..I'm on tier 3 ,it's taken 3 years to get here ,and I've seen a dietitian once and done every healthy eating course they have suggested.
To get to tier 4,I've been told is another 3 year wait for help .
So I need help now , before my obesity kills me
That's why I'm doing the jabs ,I don't want to die

SilenceInside · 23/10/2024 16:37

@LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway what is worrying and sad? The worst that will happen is that I, a stranger to you, will waste my own money trying to lose weight, and then not be successful. How does that affect you or anyone else in any way that would worry you and make you sad?

I'd rather try this "sticking plaster" than carry on leaving my "gaping wound" festering at the weight that I was when I started.

MakeMeATea · 23/10/2024 16:38

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itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 16:39

@LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway why do you care?

I'm on Mounjaro. Sometimes I feel a little sick and sometimes I'm constipated.

Better than being massively overweight though.

SuperSange · 23/10/2024 16:39

I'm pleased that all of those people who aren't overweight, don't suffer with food noise and have a normal relationship with food aren't sitting in judgement on those who may need help.

Oh.

Perhaps don't comment on something from which you're not suffering? Exercise just doesn't work. I've never been fitter than I am now, at 3 stones overweight. Is it really beyond you not to pass comment on things which don't affect you, and indeed are improving the lives and health of many? I'm not some idiot child who needs handholding through assessing risks to my own health. I've never felt so patronised as I have reading his thread.

Cattyisbatty · 23/10/2024 16:39

I’m sure they have their place for those who are obese but not for those who need to lose a few pounds.

Daisymay11 · 23/10/2024 16:40

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I don't think your here on this thread in a serious manner
I think your trying to stir up controversy

Bibulous · 23/10/2024 16:41

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A fuck of a lot of patronising bollocks on this thread too. Much of it coming from your direction.

Notsuchafattynow · 23/10/2024 16:42

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 23/10/2024 10:18

The long-term effects will be interesting to observe
The fact that so many people would not have a covid jab 'because it hadn't been trialled enough', yet are happy to use a massive drug that us not yet fully approved for weight loss, is just stupid

What on earth makes you think covid anti vaxers are using MJ?

You've literally just made that opinion up!

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 16:44

Gosh @MakeMeATea what a nasty comment about me when I've shared my history of having a long and difficult relationship with food, my weight and my body.

I suppose it exposes the true nature of your concerns though. That you might not be able to visibly tell who to look down upon.

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 16:45

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 16:44

Gosh @MakeMeATea what a nasty comment about me when I've shared my history of having a long and difficult relationship with food, my weight and my body.

I suppose it exposes the true nature of your concerns though. That you might not be able to visibly tell who to look down upon.

Just to add - especially when I've shared that I've had suicidal thoughts because of my weight.

I suppose mental health isn't that important when it comes to us fatties.

wellIguessitwouldberice · 23/10/2024 16:47

Thommasina · 23/10/2024 16:27

I think if you are bimbling along happily at a healthy bmi at a size 10 that would be perfect wouldn't it? Especially for teens. If they are a healthy weight size 10, why encourage a mindset where they can risk side effects to get to just above the underweight category?

If adult women want to do it, and lots do, that's sad but on them.

Yes I agree but what risk is an adult woman taking by using Mounjaro to get from size 10 to 6? Let’s say she doesn’t have any eating disorder, eats healthily etc, I haven’t seen any info on this.

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