To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Yes but that person literally said they just ate bad high calorie food, well it's no wonder you are overweight then..just eat healthier food?
It's one thing if you are eating healthy and not losing weight...it's another if you order weekly takeaways and eat high fat meal deals and are somehow surprised that you aren't losing.
Take some responsibility for your diet.

Because I don't have a rolling list of articles at my fingertips to link to make my point. I can't remember which gastroenterologist's rundown comparing the two I read some months ago, but it was very clear that the diabetes dosage (which people like to bang on about, saying it's been around for decades, therefore it's safe) is lower than the recommended dosage for weightloss. HTH.

Saxenda is injectable. HTH also.

@poisongreen so your entire post is based on a half remembered article?

Saxenda is an injection.

I think they're a good solution for those who genuinely need them. A friend of mine is on it and it's really helping. Her diabetes medication has already halved.

However, but picture wise I think they are problematic. They shouldn't be necessary. Obesity is a public health problem, not a matter of individuals simply over-eating. The scale of it, and the fact it's unparalleled in history, is evidence of that. We should be spending lots of money on tackling the causes. I worry that all we're really doing is lining the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies, while still pushing the narrative that this is about willpower.

A big part should be tackling the food industry who deliberately include ingredients (and the ratio of them) designed to make their products addictive. They also use misleading advertising.

A second part is how 'on' society is all the time. It can be really, really hard to find time to consistently source and prepare healthy choices while juggling work, commuting and children for example. The only reason I have a home-cooked meal most days is because my DH cooks (he works fewer hours and has a shorter commute). Before I met him I batch cooked once a month to make sure me and the kids ate healthily, but it was fairly boring and so tempting just to buy salt/sugar/fat-laden ready meal alternatives.

It's also cheaper to buy rubbish than cook from scratch unless you already have a store cupboard full of essentials such as flour, olive oil, herbs and spices, etc.

It shouldn't make a difference but for transparency I'm at the low end of my BMI. I am lucky in that I naturally don't like sweet stuff or fatty foods, which removes a lot of temptation.

Fuck me sideways. You still can use google yourself. At least I halfremember some actual facts, as opposed to shouting at people for mentioning facts.

@poisongreen the person making the assertion needs to be able to prove it.

As someone else has said, Mounjaro has been in use since 2005.

I'll just paste this here, read this, and then maybe, just maybe have some empathy for people who struggle DAILY

@OakElmAsh · Today 10:13

I don't think people who don't struggle with chronic overeating can possibly understand how much of a game changer these injections are.
Its as if you had a constant itch that drives you crazy, and only goes away temporarily when you eat, but comes back really quickly. The itch is sooo annoying that it you just want it to stop, and you don't have the headspace to make the right choices in how you get rid of it, because you're so fucking itchy.
The injections turn off the itch. They make food a thing you can actually forget about for long periods, and have you feeling satisfied after small portions.

nsparency I'm at the low end of my BMI. I am lucky in that I naturally don't like sweet stuff or fatty foods, which removes a lot of temptation.

I think @Resilience that this is the effect of the drugs, which is a revelation to people who use these foods a lot

The person quoting is normally the one to provide details not the questionner

It's one thing if you are eating healthy and not losing weight...it's another if you order weekly takeaways and eat high fat meal deals and are somehow surprised that you aren't losing.

Again, as I said upthread - this totally ignores all the nutritional science of the last two decades. People may be fat because they are eating high fat foods but they are eating high fat foods because of a hormonal inbalance that drives them to do so.

One of the illuminating things about taking these drugs is the clarify they have given me between choice and compulsion. In a past life, I have eaten food until I am unwell. Eaten beyond the point of satiety and beyond it feeling good. Eaten until I cry with how bad I feel - not guilty bad, physically sick.

That's not a choice. There is no way a succesful woman who, in all other areas of her life, makes sensible choices that demonstrate self control and reason, just goes mad around food sometimes like that unless something else is happening.

For years I thought I was mad. And now I've started to really listen to nutritional scientists - those who are leading the research in this field. And the things they say over and over again really show how what we think of as simple choice is anything but. The type of food we eat is driven by our hormones. Once thse drugs rebalanced my hormones, the very first thing that stopped almost immediately, was that I had any compulsion at all to eat sugar or high fat foods. I COULD eat them and they would taste nice - I know that - but my rational brain is in charge again and I simply choose not to. I could not have done that before.

@AnonymousBleep if your friends are on saxenda that is a daily injection

Oh, so "someone else"... That reputable source. 2005, you say?

Tirzepatide is an antidiabetic medication used for the treatment of type 2 diabetes[10][13][14][15] and for weight loss.[11][16] Tirzepatide is administered via subcutaneous injections (under the skin).[10][13] It is sold under the brand names Mounjaro for diabetes treatment,[10] and Zepbound for weight loss.[11]

Tirzepatide is a gastric inhibitory polypeptide receptor and GLP-1 receptor agonist.[11] The most common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, decreased appetite, constipation, upper abdominal discomfort, and abdominal pain.[10][13][17]

Tirzepatide was approved for treatment of diabetes in the United States in May 2022,[10][13] in the European Union in September 2022,[12] in Canada in November 2022,[18] and in Australia in December 2022.[

It is. It's also not used for diabetes so there is no Saxenda dosage for diabetes because it's not licensed. Another similar drug is (Victoza) which probably explains the dosage differences, I suspect.

Absolutely. And people with depression should just cheer themselves up. And people with anorexia should just eat more. And alcoholics should just stop drinking.

What should we do when we've spent years trying the just... and it's not worked? Should we just keep trying the same thing over and over again? Or should we try something different?

@poisongreen thank you for saying absolutely nothing.

Mounjaro is currently FDA approved for long-term use in patients with diabetes, meaning it has shown to be safe for long-term use,” said Velazquez.

www.healthline.com/health-news/health-experts-answer-9-common-questions-about-using-mounjaro-for-weight-loss#Is-Mounjaro-safe

www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/mounjaro

Hello, what's this then?

Liraglutide, sold under the brand names Victoza and Saxenda among others, is an anti-diabetic medication used to treat type 2 diabetes, and chronic obesity.[6][7] It is a second-line therapy for diabetes following first-line therapy with metformin.[6][8] Its effects on long-term health outcomes like heart disease and life expectancy are unclear.[6][9] It is given by injection under the skin.[6]

No
Mounjaro assists making that change

All the faux concern regarding making those healthy habit changes- how successful has that been, looking at our society?

Extremely unsuccessful- anyone could tell you that

Nope. Mounjaro helps make the change. It's a miracle. It's a cure for obesity and will help many other conditions related to compulsion also.

Now it needs to be on the NHS!

Helpful proof about what I was saying? Similar drugs - Saxenda licensed for weight loss, Victoza for diabetes.

🙄

Spend some time on the weightloss injections medication board, then feel free to come back and say what you've seen people say and do. I doubt you and others will because if you haven't yet and the board is right here on mumsnet, you really don't care to. You just want to make ignorant and incorrect posts.

This is another sensationalist goady thread. We've not had the exact OP or similar (i.e: I know someone who lied..., someone on facebook said... ) written since about 3 days. I was wondering when it will show up again.

For anyone interested, feel free to read the various threads objectively, not looking to nitpick.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/weight-loss-injections

They are just brand names for the exact same drug.

I think they're a good thing. Imagine how much money the NHS would save if there was even a 10% drop in type 2 diabetes?

Being overweight is risky for people and costs the NHS money. Therefore anything that reduces that is a good thing.

Here is a list of dosages for diabetes vs weightloss:

Compare and Contrast the Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Receptor Agonists (GLP1RAs) - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov)

In general, half the dose for diabetes, as I blandly said.

@TheDeepLemonHelper

Agree, who knows what the long term risks are, give it 20 years and they'll find out. I don't want to be a guinea pig so I'll just stick to my diet. 🥗