To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

I want it to be true, that they are a miracle cure. We all know what a burden obesity is on the health system.

But it all sounds too good to be true. And I would hate for my child to start injecting herself with something that may or may not be safe and effective in the long term.

We know many other drugs require ever higher doses to remain effective- why not this?

All these ‘you don’t learn how to take care of yourself’ comments are so uninformed! 🙄 Of course you still have to stick to a diet plan in order to lose weight on these drugs, they just make it easier to do so! Is that really so hard to understand?

And that chap may not have had pneumonia had he not been morbidly obese

I can't speak for everyone on them but I'm heading into my third month on 5mg. It's just my sweet spot.

I fail to see how my bland three word comment was whinging.

As I said, half the common dosage prescribed for weightloss.

Why would anyone intentionally do that??

@poisongreen so you have no idea because there is no "common weight loss dose".

I do that a lot tbh when my mental health is bad. Packet of biscuits for dinner, bombay mix for tea, skip meals when I don't feel like food. I'm slim which is my most important bit.
So not 'intentionally ' but I do it.

I was responding to the part of the post where the poster asked if people will intentionally eat crap and gain weight then lose it with WLI over and over

Utter nonsense. Diabetic doses vary widely, as do those used for weight loss. Besides, they’re licensed for weight loss by the MHRA which means they’ve been through rigourous, controlled clinical trials at the very same doses they’re being prescribed at out in the wild.

Oh my god. Why are you so spiteful. You can use google, too. It has been studied in diabetics using lower doses. I didn't make that up.

As I said, half the common dosage prescribed for weightloss.

That's quite a broad range. e.g Mounjaro dosage varies from 2.5mg - 15mg per dose.

If they work by suppressing appetite, then an excessive appetite IS the cause of over-eating? No amount of 'education' or 'exercise or eating less is going to help that!

Surely it would be easier not to purchase the meal deals, takeaways and ready meals?
I agree with it for managing severe obesity but if people don't change their habits first isn't that part of the problem?
Weight loss should first be managed by trying to live a healthy lifestyle.. E.g keeping healthy food and snacks in the house and not crap. If you are jumping straight to mounjaro you are tackling the symptom but not the cause.

@poisongreen it's not spiteful to point out that you don't understand what you're talking about.

Mounjaro for diabetes looks to have exactly the same dosage schedule as for weight loss:

"Usual Adult Dose for Diabetes Type 2:
Initial dose: 2.5 mg under the skin (subcutaneously) once a week.
After 4 weeks: The dosage should be increased to 5 mg subcutaneously once a week.
If additional glycemic control is needed: The dosage should be increased in 2.5 mg increments after at least 4 weeks on the current dose.
Maximum dose: 15 mg subcutaneously once a week."

@poisongreen it's not spiteful to point out you're woefully wrong

💯 And the NHS won't prescribe it for cost reasons, not because they are dangerous.

I agree with others, the jabs aren't the problem, it's the people that are mis-using them. I don't think you should be able to get them without a face to face consultation from a pharmacist.

I would absolutely love them, I lost a good chunk of weight but my BMI is still high, they're just so expensive right now 😔

I'll start with the weight management medications, the first of which is Saxenda. This is liraglutide 3 mg for chronic weight management. The studies that were done with this medication were intended to get the patient to the 3-mg dosing, which is what's prescribed for weight management, and not the 1.8-mg dosing which is prescribed for type 2 diabetes.

For example.

"Intended to GET THE PATIENT TO" aka the absolute highest dose.

Yes Im a bit sick of seeing 'underlying reasons' probably written with a sad face, all over every thread

The underlying reason for obesity is that people eat too much. The medication supports people to eat less. End of story.

Well thank fuck you are here to tell us that all we needed to do was live a healthy lifestyle and eat healthy foods. Who knew!?

If you are jumping straight to mounjaro you are tackling the symptom but not the cause.

I genuinely think hardly anyone jumps to a £150-200pm bill over achieving the same result for free without trying the free option first.

I've shared this before. THIS is what the free option has got me. A whole bloody lifetime of dieting or feeling deep shame because I am losing the fight. Over and over and over again like some sick stuck record. All the time getting fatter and fatter. This isn't some habit. This is a chronic condition in someone whose life - other than weight - looks like the poster child for self discipline and success. And I believe many of us have very, very similar stories.

This entire thread is about weight loss injections - why are you bringing up saxenda?