To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Weight Loss: Liraglutide and semaglutide have received FDA approval for weight loss. Liraglutide is administered subcutaneously, commencing with an initial dose of 0.6 mg once daily for the first week. The dosage is then gradually escalated in increments of 0.6 mg, reaching a maximum of 3 mg once daily. Semaglutide is also administered subcutaneously, with an initial dosage of 0.25 mg once weekly for 4 weeks. Subsequently, the dose is increased incrementally every week, with a maximum dosage of 2.4 mg once weekly.[37]

• Liraglutide: The starting dose is 0.6 mg subcutaneously once daily for 1 week, then increase to 1.2 mg once daily. If necessary, after at least 1 week, the dose may be increased to a maximum of 1.8 mg once daily.
• Semaglutide: The starting dose is 0.25 mg subcutaneously once weekly for 4 weeks, then increase to 0.5 mg weekly. If necessary, after at least 4 weeks, the dose may be increased to a maximum of 1 mg once weekly.

So for these two specific drugs, yes higher doses MAY be used but do not necessarily have to be.

My point remains, the decades-long studies in these drugs are from lower doses, as per diabetic use. Roughly half the dose. As I said. You're welcome.

But your point doesn't remain because not everyone goes onto the highest doses and that's only for two medications.

I love these threads because they always turn into a slinging match. 😂🍿

I dont disagree with any of that, but each individual does have to then decide what do they do, are they set to the whims and habits of society which is then making them unhealthy?

Our food culture isnt going to change, our societal habits arent going to change, or if they do at some point in the future, it wont be in my life time, so do I end up dying early of obesity related illness or do I get the jabs and just get on with it?

The longer someone stays overweight or obese, waiting to do that one last time, lose weight 'one last time forever', is just continuing the cycle of maintaining their current weight. For the vast vast majority of us it doesnt come off, or not enough or it doesnt stay off.

Ah today's fat-bashing thread. Whew, was worried we were going to go a day without one.

Im not sure why you are quoting me? Have you misunderstood my post and the reason for it?

Ive been there, I have the itch, or had it anyway, I needed medical intervention to stop me eating so much. The jabs are supportive of that.

You are entirely missing the point.

There is a COMPULSION to consume food which Mounjaro is treating.

The compulsion is never for a bowl of salad, it is for the highly proceed foods that trip our reward systems. Then we want more. That's how addictions work.

Don't need some fool telling me to 'take some responsibility for my diet' so you can have that back

Obesity is caused by a compulsion to eat, and addiction, and this is the fantastic cure.

The end.

Only one side ever does the "slinging" though

And take some responsibility for your ignorance.
Educate yourself before you waste anyone's time spouting your nonsense

Hey if you want to keep excusing your lack of willpower and self control and blaming it on a compulsion, rather than doing the hard thing like everyone else who's lost weight you do you.
Take the easy way out then.

Addiction to food is hard as well, as unlike with other addictions you can’t just quit the substance!

*I am not addicted to food or a compulsive eater before someone calls me something rude, like the poster above

This is the thing. You can't just avoid food.

I used to have 2-3 takeaways a month because I'd feel like I "deserved them", ridiculous I know. I've not craved one since I started the jabs. They just make you feel normal.

Hey if you want to keep excusing your lack of willpower and self control and blaming it on a compulsion, rather than doing the hard thing like everyone else who's lost weight you do you.
Take the easy way out then.

Ah. There it is. Knew it'd come out eventually - it always does in these threads. The 'you're cheating the hard workers' angle.

That's always what seems to be at the root of these threads. A begrudgement that someone else might be getting help.

Yes, but when a non-obese person takes the drugs, which they do, you can't do a cost:benefit analysis on them based on the situation of an obese person.

Also, it is possible to become non-obese without drugs = they could get the benefits without the risks.

People with OCD- they just lack willpower to stop washing their hands

Drug and alcohol addicts- just take some responsibility!@MakeMeATea says just stop now!

Depression, anxiety- just pull yourself together,!!

What a fool you are, and fat- bashing to 70% of women in this country.

You are a true ignoramus.

Can you not read or understand ANY of the science behind this?
Is that too tricky for you?

And interestingly there is more research I believe coming out that the medication also can support other addiction/high drive behaviour like gambling, alcoholism

No doubt, if this medication had been 'invented' with no prior knowledge of it and used for people with problem gambling or alcoholism there wouldnt be the judgement of it in society.
I dont hear any of these arguments about antabuse or methadone.

At least I didn't stoop to name calling.

Why get riled up though, by people who don't get it? If they think it's too easy, or you are too lazy or whatever. More fool them. Let them 'do it the hard way' if they like. If you know weight loss injections are working right now for you, and helping you with today's weight goal, who cares what they think?

They just want you to suffer a bit more, and preferably remain fat!

The good thing about these drugs is they are a choice for individuals. No-one has to use them or take them or indeed discuss whether others take them. Don't like them, don't think they will work long-term, worried about 'the kids', keep away from them and keep in your own lane. Model good habits in your own home.

What this has done has opened up a choice to people who previous didn't have good choices or struggled to make good choices to lose weight. It's not without problems and they know that, they know it's not ideal and that there may be some negatives, but they are usually pretty desperate.

There's not going to be a compulsory Mounjaro injection (unlike Covid jabs which were practically mandatory for some jobs!) so you can all breathe a sign of relief!

They will become common-place though, because the thought of having even 10% of currently obese people having less medication for diabetes, CHD and other illnesses is going to be very tempting for the NHS. I think they will slip into the suite of lifestyle drugs, like statins, blood pressure tablets and so on, where you will be monitored and if over a certain level, offered them. No compulsion though.

You were very rude
To say we are taking an easy way out, not taking responsibility

Those are insults to everyone on these medications

And show your lack of understanding the science

There are lots of red flags here. Still really early days with these weight loss jabs - who knows what the true side effects may be. And not eating, which will actually lower your metabolism and then potentially having to come off it because money runs out/jab runs out is a recipe for disaster.
I think there is never a real short cut for losing weight. I appreciate it could help many people and as a kick-start drug it has some real benefits but as a permanent solution for millions of people to take for the rest of their lives - resounding no.

Thanks you are right

I suspect many against these jabs would like us all to remain overweight

They are worried it'll be a bun-fight ( no pun intended) for size 10 cute dresses in Hobbs!!

They were lying. And they’ve made you look very silly.

Even if their appetite suppression had waned at the weekend (which becomes less and less likely as the weeks go on because the drug builds up in your body), they’d still not be able to gorge themselves on take away. Firstly, you are unable to eat huge portions, secondly, lots of people on these injections find eating very greasy food causes sickness or diahorrea.

Lastly, one can, if they choose to and don’t suffer ill effects, eat something from a take away occasionally whilst on these injections, providing they are remaining in an overall calorie deficit. It’s perfectly fine. You don’t have to eat dust, you can still sometimes have things you enjoy- just a much smaller portion.

"I don't have the problem that you've got but you're not dealing with it the way I think you should so you're making excuses and taking the easy way out".