King charles Heckled in Australia

[Albaamy121]

Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

Everybody here thinks she is a moron . She got in on stupid Senate proportional voting where nobody bother to see who they are voting for just tick th"greens" box. She's not even a Green anymore. Apologies from Australia , we are almost 99% not as uncouth as her ( and this is not her first stunt). Then again she got a lot of Brit in her 😁

They need to send Raygun in to soothe the situation :)

Why do MODERN day leaders/peoples have to apologize for something they didn't experience or do to others, themselves? JUST an example: My father treated my mother like a slave. Am I to expect my brother to apologize for what my father did, just because he is a male?

Am not defensive, just so very TIRED of those who think they can try to fix water that has already passed under the bridge, long, long ago. Blaming modern persons for past hurts and slights. It is racist to do so! Colonizing is not a 100% bad thing, as it spread civilization, education, medicine, law and order.

Another question: Why are those who took over tribes; tribes who killed thousands of others in other tribes; those who did not bring with them educational systems, religious charity/learning, medicine, law and order NOT despised as white persons - especially white Brits, white Americans, northern Europeans are despised??

Why are whites the only "bad" people these days who everyone wants to see apologize for the past? This is madness: anger about past events of history - 100s of years ago. We are going to colonize space next, so why not get mad about that now? Because it is ridiculous, just like this anger at colonization from the past.

@Albaamy121

She probably didn't say "King of Britain" as she sees Scotland and Wales as colonies

In Australia, we don't generally say "The King of Britain," nor did we say "The Queen of Britain." We say "England." The reason isn't because we think of Scotland and Wales as colonies - that thought has never entered my head - but it's simply the custom. There's no deep reason behind it.

Totally. God,she probably got chosen by some weird system too. ( Honestly we are much smarter than we sometimes come across)
All our wonderful Olympians who trained for yearsand all anyonw can remember is doofus Raygun. Cringe x 1000

MODERN day leaders apologise for wrongs in their countries past, because they are genuinely sad at what happened in the past, and thet are trying to improve relations between the two countries now.

An apology from a current prime minister/ royal family member can ease a lot of suffering in a country.

For example, the German prime minister in 2019 apologised to Poland for Nazi Germanys wrongdoings in world war 2.

Nobody thought that the German prime minister in 2019 was personally responsible. But his apology was extremely well received.
It is the well mannered thing to do. To acknowledge other people's pain and suffering

I believe that countries should acknowledge the pain and suffering their country has caused other countries. It's a good way to say sorry and then move forward.

@Albaamy121

I wonder does she want repatriations from the UK

Do you mean 'reparations'? I don't think LT is explicitly asking for that, but like I noted in my other posts, she does ask for the reparation of remains and artefacts.

I'm disturbed by your sentence

"Colonizing is not a 100% bad thing, as it spread civilization, education, medicine, law and order."

It also caused a huge amount of rape , murder, and a complete wiping out of the countries culture.

the effects of which last to this day.

For example when England colonised Ireland , they would kill anyone who spoke Irish. Irish people were forced to speak English. Which is why English is spoken in Ireland today. Colonisation wiped out a whole language there

Am Australian. Mostly agree. And people kind of gloss over the fact that the vast majority of "white" people were convicts and treated appallingly. We have had to kind of let go of that otherwise we wouldn't be allies with the UK!

Once a country is free of the colonizer: don't go looking back for reparations or apology, you have been cut loose. You have your freedom to make your own government; now make it work and prosper. Stop blaming the past and move forward: nothing is gained from looking in the rear view mirror, except perhaps a lesson not to do what those before you did wrong.

No, it wasn't the suffragettes' campaign of destruction that changed public attitudes towards female suffrage but rather the efficiency with which women performed men's jobs during WW1.

Which country are you talking about that it is free from the coloniser?

Because this thread is talking about Austrlais , which is still a colony of the UK

I live in Australia, have both British and Australian citizenship and am a republican

In my opinion Lidia Thorpe was rude and irrelevant. King Charles was not imposing himself on Australia, he is its monarch and is doing his job.

The solution lies in the hands of Australians to vote for a republic. Which will not happen any time soon.

I don't think I've seen anything worse on mumsnet than that sentence that you wrote there

"Colonizing is not a 100% bad thing, as it spread civilization, education, medicine, law and order."

Eh colonisation also caused mass rapes, mass murder, stealing of land, and destruction of cultures

@Sheri99

Why are whites the only "bad" people these days who everyone wants to see apologize for the past? This is madness: anger about past events of history - 100s of years ago. We are going to colonize space next, so why not get mad about that now? Because it is ridiculous, just like this anger at colonization from the past.

Oh, you're of those.

@sheri99 you wrote

"Colonizing is not a 100% bad thing, as it spread civilization, education, medicine, law and order."

What about when England colonised Ireland and they stole all the land, and then they stole all the food produced on the land.

This resulted in a huge famine in Ireland, which resulted in one million Irish people dying.

Do you think colonisation spread "law and order" there.

You're whitewashing of colonisation is disgusting

Australian here, most people didn't even know he was here to be honest. It made zero impact.

@Sheri99

"Colonizing is not a 100% bad thing, as it spread civilization, education, medicine, law and order."

In Australia, the colonisers often carried out mass murders of the indigenous people. They mostly got away without any punishment as the indigenous weren't thought of as people; they were considered as part of the country's flora and fauna. I live rurally, and unfortunately, on the site of a historical mass murder. It is unmarked. 30 men, women and children were killed here for the unproven crime of stealing a cob of corn.

How awful of you to just wave that away in the name of progress.

It was one moment in the tour. The evening news in Australia is full of rapturous people shaking his and Camilla's hands - including many proud First Nations people - and both stopping for little chats. Huge crowds gathered to farewell him. I think the tour has been an absolute success.

The Lidia Thorpe interlude was a headline catcher, as per this analysis.

Lidia Thorpe's King Charles protest was a masterclass on how to make front-page news in 2024 - ABC News

Australais? Australia is really not. the last referendum was a farce, terribly run and an awful question. Get a better run one and we'd be a republic. We are just a teensy bit of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" type. Almost no referendums pass. Except for the one granting human rights to Aboriginal people ( thanks to the ignoramus that called us a racist country - perhaps have a visit or read a book). It is on most rankings the worlds most racially diverse country. And incredibly peaceful. Sigh. Keep mocking us though, it's so much fun! Whilst people flock here. There are 27 million of us and half a million people arrived last year on various types of visas. Terribly racist awful country. Yeah right.

She’s right, and I hope more people do this when faced with these royal idiots

Australia has not been a colony since 1901 when the Federation Bill was passed and created the commonwealth of Australia.

Charles is visiting as King of Australia, a separate role.

Right but Australia is still not free from the UK. The UK still has power over Australia.

I see the commonwealth described online as

The Commonwealth remains a British establishment outfit that serves first and foremost British interests, power and influence.

You’re kidding, right?

Australia is perhaps the least racist country I’ve ever lived in. It’s multicultural and each culture acknowledges we’re a new country and we’re all equal and new.

Literally the only racism I’ve ever witnessed here is when a group of middle aged men from the UK were drunk at a resort pool chanting out “banter” to staff. About 15 Aussies put a stop to that instantly.

Racist, drunk, Brits seem to arrive here on a daily basis and inform us we’re a racist country. Mind boggling.

I have friends (not british) that visited Australia, and they said that they met extremely racist people there in Australia

Racism is everywhere