King charles Heckled in Australia

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Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

@Lavenderfarmcottage Yep. All of that.

Charles didn't set up the Commonwealth either, so by your logic he has no business touring at all. IMO, he either represents his family and his institution or he doesn't - no picking and choosing the nice bits.

That protestor wasn’t born before Europeans reached Australia. - no picking and choosing the nice bits.

He looks so old now. Can’t see him living as long as him mum.

I didn’t have an issue with it. She is not required to accept him as her King. As she says: sovereignty was never ceded.

Almost certainly not.

The highest estimate of slaves transported across the Atlantic is 12.5million people between 1525-1866. A shockingly high number indeed.

But small potatoes compared to the almost 6 million people held in slavery last year alone in just one country - China.

Slaveryis a serious issue. It doesn’t deserve hyperbole.

Yes, but we're talking here about slavery during the transatlantic slave trade. Modern slavery is a different issue.

As for your last sentence, you can go to bed all puffed up with the frothy warm milk of righteousness now that you've virtue-signalled.

No.

You were talking about the transatlantic slave trade, the root of slavery everywhere.

Then, after another poster pointed out that statement was not accurate, you were talking about the transatlantic slave trade … responsible for the vast bulk of slavery in modern history.

Again, an inaccurate statement. Hyperbole is not helping your arguments.

And I will say it again, this is a serious subject that deserves to be treated as such. There is no righteousness in stating that. Accusing me of virtue signaling on an anonymous internet forum is, however, slightly ridiculous.

This is such a silly conversation, splitting hairs on something that has nothing to do with the original thread. The transatlantic slave trade transported millions and millions of slaves and made up most of the slavery in most of the slave-owning world at that time.

If she believes she's on land that has been stolen and not ceded, that is an ongoing issue not an historical one.

Correct; totally agree.

If she does, she needs to find a therapist.

So you believe that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples gave the land to the British, or sold it to them? You believe that they ceded their sovereignty?

Sovereignty was never ceded, the land was stolen

You'd better let the High Court of Australia know they need therapy too.

Out of interest - what's your connection to this topic? How did you form your understanding of both the history and current issues - through any education or personal experience? Tabloid press? Or are you just here to stir the pot?

No it didn’t

What should Australians do about this?

Most of the states are setting up a treaty process to look at what is fair going forward.

wear a hair shirt, hang their heads, beat themselves with sticks. The usual.

I asked you, do you believe sovereignty was ceded?

Will this result in a vote for what is proposed?

@TerrorAustralis it wasn't directed to me, it was to another poster

Then my answer to what should Australians do, is pay the rent. Also educate themselves. But mainly, pay the rent.

Are these chattel slaves in China?

But the point is that it shows the UK had no power over Australia, even back in 1975. How does it show the contrary?

Australia has been independent for a century.

I suggest people look to NZ where this debate is a bit further advanced.

The academic consensus right now (for it wasn't always) is that Maori didn't cede sovereignty. But I'm coming to the conclusion that this all misses the point: it projects modern Western notions onto a very different situation 180 years ago. The co-governance models proposed asa solution proceed from this mistake. They also challenge standard notions of democracy in two ways: first, they undermine the legitimacy of (the settler-established) Parliament and second, they encourage senior judges to become political philosophers, something they're not trained to do and aren't very good at.

Maori got shafted by settlement here in NZ. In Australia it was worse. But both are well-run prosperous countries on the whole and that's because of the civil institutions that presently exist, including Parliament and the rule of law. Tinker with them at your peril.