King charles Heckled in Australia

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Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

For (to me ) very obvious reasons the existence of a monarchy is horrific.
Are we really saying some people are better than others because of their bloodline ?

That is no less than the exultation of a master race. A fucking dangerous path.

Whilst the current king is not personally responsible for the evil done in the name of his family. He literally wears the trappings of evil, death, and theft.

It's beyond time they were harassed for same.
Good on her

It would go on forever, and the money Britain would have to pay for past wrongs would bankrupt it. Britain can't apologise to one nation - it would have to apologise to all the ones it colonised, and it can't afford to pay reparations to them all. And then other colonising nations would also have to apologise to their former colonies. Where would it end?

@Ozgirl75 Sigh. That is not what I said and you know it.

@NoisyDenimShaker You are right. If Charles apologised for the Royal Families role in colonialism, he may have to apologise to many countries.

Everything youre saying is arguing against it..but what about the argument for it.

OTher countries have apologised to countries theyve invaded. He wouldnt be the first to apologise.

He doesnt have to apologise to them all at once, he could do what the German prime minister did, and apologise to the country that he's visiting at the time

It would ease a lot of people's pain and suffering.

It would make the UK look better.

It would make relations between countries better

Also he doesn't have to apologise to every single country.

But one would be a start!

The German prime minister didn't apologise to every Single country. He apologised to Poland when he was visiting it.

I can't believe you said "no countries ever apologise to countries that they've wronged"

Yes they do! Look it up!

It's not the Middle Ages and these days, the monarchy isn't seen to exist because they are better. They're public servants who can't chase any of their own dreams or develop any talents they might have, because they're busy doing endlessly boring engagements to support the country and boost morale, which they do for many people they visit, and they charm other countries who may have hostile intentions towards us. They do so by hosting those countries at BP state dinners and by going on official visits, where they do more boring engagements.

Yes, they have huge wealth, but why would they devote their lives to boring public service and no retirement otherwise, and life in a goldfish bowl where the whole world's media and social media is jeering at you and criticising you and hoping to gain embarrassing private information about you that they can beam across the world.

The monarchy does an enormous amount for charity. The Prince's Trust has helped hundreds and hundreds of troubled youths get back on their feet, and that's just one example. There are many more.

Finally, the monarchy provides an over-arching stability that no politician is above. Some people don't like the monarchy, but is having a greasy politician as top dog really any better? Remember the Trump presidency??

For me, there's a romance in the long, long traditions of monarchy too. Republics have no pageantry, no glamour, no mystery, and no sparkle. They're comprised of grey politicians and underwhelming public events.

I disagree with you.

I think the Royal family is outdated and old fashioned.

The fact that they have so many lavish palaces, while children are using food banks in the UK is wrong in this day and age

Even if he doesnt actually apologise, couldn't he at least acknowledge some of the issues that have occurred. He never mentions anything in the countries he goes to. He just goes for lovely lunches

Oh, OK - well, all I ever hear is that various countries want apologies and reparations, so it seemed that apologies weren't the done thing. The apologies don't seem to have got as much airtime!

This article says that Britain has apologised for some of it too.

www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/20/some-european-countries-have-apologised-for-their-colonial-past-is-it-enough

It's worth noting that I think it's politicians that apologise, not Charles. At least, he couldn't apologise without permission of the Prime Minister, anyway.

Some of us think genocide is rude and obnoxious

True. And Prince William did say something about how awful Britain's history of slavery is and what a stain it is on Britain.

For God's sake: stop with the racist BULLYING. If you KNOW your world history, throughout ALL of HISTORY - for EONS ALL countries/peoples/conquerers have taken over other lands; those being taken over are not always treated well! Tribes from ALL continents have been fighting other tribes for centuries; Nazi Germans vs Jews.

MOVE ON world.

@NoisyDenimShaker except William has acknowledged wrongs.
Charles could easily have done the same in Australia. He chose not to.

This will keep happening on their colonial tours. They are an anachronism.

Oh yes, they have way too much. WAY too much. They should scale down and give some of what they have to the nation.

The issue with children using food banks lies with the politicians, no? The palaces receive no government funds and run themselves via ticket sales and gift shop sales. The organisation for all the palaces is Historic Royal Palaces and it's a charity. (BP isn't part of Historic Royal Palaces because it's a workplace.) When you say palaces, do you mean places like Hampton Court Palace and The Tower of London? Those are vitally important historic buildings, and if they were sold, foreign kings or oligarchs would buy them, and the children would be no better off.

ETA: Maybe the RF is outdated and old-fashioned, but I haven't got a better idea and I don't want a politician to be top dog.

Well if the Nazis did it I guess thats good enough for me!

Why are you defensive and deflecting?

First of all, No one said that other countries didn't colonise lands.

We are talking about the UK colonising Australia in this thread. And we also talked about the other countries that the UK colonised.

Just because some other countries did it in the past aswell, doesn't make it right.

Also , Germany have apologised for it's actions in world war two. Have the UK ever apologised to anyone?

Yeah I think it's a bit silly myself to go on a tour to a place that you've colonised.

There's bound to be some bad feeling there

But there are also many in those countries who support the RF, so I guess that's why they go. He still has a role there, and we are linked by the Commonwealth, so he can't really not go.

@FamousFriends

There are many Indigenous Australians who look white, who may be only a quarter or an eighth aboriginal who still rightly claim their heritage. White colonisers tried to 'breed' the black out of the Stolen Generation and integrate them into white society while still holding them in racist contempt. It's an ugly and painful, fairly recent history and many indigenous people here are still suffering from intergenerational trauma and overt racism. I don't particularly like Lidia Thorpe, she's a bit nuts, but I can totally see where she's coming from.

For anyone who doesn't understand how an indigenous person can be 'part-indigenous', the post above is a good explanation. In addition, it has been only relatively recent to acknowledge, as a Caucasian person, an indigenous background.

Lidia Thorpe was protesting for the return of First Nations remains, bones, artefacts, and land that was taken by the British Empire. I support this cause, but not the way Thorpe brought attention to it.

I don't think they'd really care if he went or not

I am Australian, but not First Nation. The history of this nation is littered with crimes and social injustices. Indigenous peoples were not counted in the census until the 1970s after a referendum to change the constitution to recognise them, Deliberately lacing water and flour with poison to murder people(in the 1800 & 1900s), using the labour of Indigenous peoples for years and not paying them, removing children - particularly lighter skinned - so that the aboriginal could be ‘bred out’ - which happened until the 1970s or so. First Nations children are still being removed at a 12 times greater rate than non-Indigenous (2023). First Nations communities (particularly more remote) have increased illness, scarce housing, limited access to reasonable fresh food.
I know First Nations people who were removed and their parents who were removed. It’s not ancient history. Yes, maybe someone else would have colonised but that doesn’t change the situation. England colonised, and the actions of our ancestors maintained the status quo.
I saw Senator Thorpe and was initially confronted. But, people have tried being ‘nice’ and it hasn’t resulted in any change. You are talking about her because of her actions, would you be talking if she sidled up to have a quiet word in his ear?

Good on her I say.