King charles Heckled in Australia

[Albaamy121]

Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

That was quite a rude, defensive post no?

I'm sorry but there have been lots of accounts of racism in Austalia.

It is there

Can you explain what power the UK has over Australia? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Australia is not a colony and there is a long history of English people using the term “colonials” to sneer at Australians.

I think you were disturbed before my sentence, disturbed by the truth. There was NOT a "complete wiping out of the culture"; no more than there is a complete wiping out of American Indian culture.

Culture in ANY civilization is encroached upon by the discoverers (immigrants and - in the past: the world explorers). The home culture changes; ALL cultures change over time.

NO culture of any time in history has remained unscathed. No language remains unchanged, it changes with time and things like: the internet!

Have you studied cultural anthropology?

Cultures change. Change is inevitable. How the change occurs can be either violent or civil, or a combination of both and many surprise world events, and social evolution.

Rape and murder occur in most cultures/countries taken over and then colonized. This is because men have historically been the explorers, or people who come take over the country (space, resources, even WOMEN have been taken over if there is a lack of women back home...). Also women were not available at the time of the rapes, because men left their wives to take care of their family left behind.

Rape and war are bedfellows - especially in past history, as well as modern history; it is a terrorist methodology of inciting terror and fear; control.

The Europeans taking over and settling places such as AUS and US, the Americas, they saw indigenous peoples. Some friendly some not friendly. The indigenous peoples were tribal, and were often NOT friendly to each other - warring and raping and killing whichever tribe didn't suit their fancy. So the people that were settling aka colonizing at the time, thought it was GOOD (they thought what they were doing was best for the indigenous people: to indoctrinate the natives to their way of "civilized" culture. Some was probably borne of good intentions, some maybe not so good of intentions.

But is anyone justified in these modern times to punish, ask for apology, or for reparations of others of us modern time peoples, for those ignorant things all our ancestors did in the past??

The answer to your last question:

Yes.

Political leaders of other countries HAVE apologised for their countries wrongdoings in the past, they have apologised for genocides which killed millions of people.

And I think that their opinion is more important than yours

Ffs. Some Australians getting very offended about everything and anything on here.

If you care to read back, I've said that im against colonialism and I'm against the UK having power over Australia. In my opinion, I think Australia should be a Republic.

You asked what power does the UK have over Australia.

The UK monarch is the head of state of Australia. That's power.

I think Australia should be a Republic myself, but I can't make them do it

Rude? Sorry my love, sharing a personal experience in response to an actual rude post is not rude.

Where exactly did I say or imply there is no racism?

Of course it exists. Everywhere. But the only time I have witnessed it in Aus is the incident I spoke of. I am not Australian or English, yet one country I feel welcome in and the other I don’t. Yet every single time on mumsnet when there’s a post about Australia, I read how we are a deeply racist country, while posters hypocritically gloss over the fact that the UK is significantly worse.

You're a coloniser apologist.

I honestly can't believe the way you're writing.

You said there that it was good for the indigenous people to be colonised to make them more civilised.

Tell me this.

If the colonisers wanted to make the indigenous people more civilised.....why did they murder so many of them?

The colonisers murdered many indigenous people

You said 'I haven't seen any racism here except from racist drunk brits"

Thats inaccurate .

I have a good few friends in Australia. And they tell me that there is a lot of racism in Australia.

There is also a lot of racism in the UK.
There is also a lot of racism in Ireland.

It's everywhere

Am Aussie and live here. She also yelled genocide or something to that effect. Seems the UK news softener what she said and left parts out.

I am appalled by the Daily Mail defending King Charles etc and their take down.

It was only in the 70’s that the forced removal of Aboriginal babies children from their homes ended. This was done for assimilation into white culture.

It is only relatively recently that there’s been more research on massacres around Australia of Indigenous people who were buried enmasse in unmarked graves and white washed from history.

There is a large health gap between aboriginal and white infant mortality and life expectancy.

Its still very controversial about Australia Day and the fact it’s celebrated on the day white settlers came here and controversy over it being ‘Invasion Day’. Many people refuse to celebrate it and find it offensive. I am a white Australian but myself and many others find it tastelesss and don’t celebrate this day. Many other white Australians think that we have a right to celebrate our country and want to ignore the fact we celebrate on a day that Aboriginal people lost so much of their country and culture.

It was only in my lifetime that an apologist was given by PM Kevin Rudd to Aboriginals, previous PM’s refused. It was only in the 70’s that the high court case Mabo gave Aboriginals back land mainly for cultural use.

I think King Charles coming here, I mean given the history of colonisers you have to expect there will be anger and dissidence.

His presence here is for what ? To build connection with the UK and Australia & support charities etc - all great. However, he is largely symbolic of our colonial history and the sense of entitlement of British colonisers that still exists in white culture today.

I believe King Charles’s visit here rubs salt into wounds and I find it highly inappropriate. We are a country trying to repair and heal and we are meant to stand for equality. Highlighting British culture and history and pride over the past and how we became white, is not what we need here. It throws shade on the significance and plight of Indigenous people.

What would have been helpful is if he’d come here and started his speech by acknowledging the Aboriginal land he stands on, and our first people.

You are unable to read well. I can't help you out of your fog.

That’s because I haven’t seen any racism here except that one incident. My experience and what I have seen isn’t inaccurate, it’s my experience. Nowhere have I denied it exists, but I was sharing MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in response to someone else. Not sure how you’re unable to comprehend that but that’s not a me problem.

I also stated racism is everywhere.

After reading your responses to everyone else though I can see now you’re just out looking for some conflict. I hope someone bites and gives you what you need. But it won’t be me. Good day.

It would be comparable to the Roman invasion of Britain if there were still British people alive today who had their rights severely curtailed under the Roman reigme (e.g. forced adoption, no vote, not even recognised as citizens of the country). And if British people in general were below Romans on every single measure of wellbeing.

Also note that while Cook definitely liked to rape, murder and steal his way around the Pacific he did not plant the flag and set out to massacre or enslave the inhabitants to the same extent at every stop. New Zealand, for example, was settled by treaty.

Honestly, they’re just looking for an argument. Either that or their comprehension skills are severely lacking. Pretty much honing in on one word in an entire paragraph to suit their narrative. Embarrassing. Don’t argue back, isn’t worth it x

I wrote exactly what you said word for word

You said they thought it was good for the indigenous people to be colonised, to make them more civilised.

I then asked you: if they wanted to make the indiginous people more civilised, why did they murder so many of them?

You can't answer the question, so now you're pretending you didn't say it 😀

Would you care to answer the question that I just asked then?

I'm laughing at you calling me argumentative, when your first post mentioned "drunk racist brits".

Yeah that was a rally calm post!

Wish I could clap at this. I was so shocked he didn’t even acknowledge the First Nations People’s land.

Good, I’m glad it gave you a giggle. Brits here have a reputation for being drunk, sexist and racist worldwide.

Answer the question then. If the colonisers had good intentions and wanted to make the indigenous people more civilised" as Sheri99 said,

Why did the colonisers murder so many of the indigenous people then?

Killing them isn't making them more civilised , is it

Sadly, it appears so! Perhaps Cultural Anthropology courses have been replaced with "Activism 101" there also? 😂

Also indigenous culture aside, the idea that the British family - the OG nepo babies - not just tour but preside over parliament, just feels so archaic.

The idea someone is sitting in our parliament because they were born to & visit every now and then and not because they were voted to, is so bizarre to me.

I think it’s more accepted in the UK because her working class just accept their lot in life and that they will always be working class. The aristocrats feel entitled to be born into wealth and given a title just because of who their parents are. Australia just isn’t like that culturally and the idea of a King is quite odd.

You have this royal family with huge empty palaces in a cost of living crisis, swanning around in jewels taken from other countries or at the very least displaying them or holding them in a vault. This entire aristocratic class that’s born into wealth and many who accrued it from skavery and colonisation and taking wealth out of countries.

I think the royal family is a morally bankrupt institution. They are the OG nepo babies and I think the charity work is great but it’s the very least they can do for being born into a family that waltzes into countries commanding respect, for what ?

Sorry, I think the Commonwealth is finished and I think BRF stay in your country generating tourism.

You didn’t ask me a question poppet, so I’m unable to do that.

It's amazing that you're calling other people racist, when what you just posted there is racist.

Also drunk,sexist and racist.

Eh what do you think Australians are known for?

I did ask you a question. Go back and read it love.

You’re mixing me up with someone else who you’re having a conversation about colonialism with. That wasn’t me.