King charles Heckled in Australia

[Albaamy121]

Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

OK I didn't know that.

So I understand that now.

I do think people should be able to say what they want to the king.

Otherwise it becomes a dictatorship

Lidia Thorpe is a muppet. But "they" are not just "salty" about it - it was genocide.

My thoughts are that she can hardly take the moral high ground when she refers to Charles as "The king of England" when interviewed by the BBC.

Quite clear she was just out to get on the telly and has no clue what she's talking about.

Well " king of the United Kingdom" is a bit of a mouthful to say.

"King of England" is easier

King of England is factually wrong.

England is not the UK. And it's even more ironic as she was protesting the fact he's King in Australia too (and in lots of other Commonwealth countries). Using "King of England" just shows her up as thick and uneducated.

And from the posts detailing her previous exploits, it seems she has form for this sort of stupid stunt.

Yes of course it's factually wrong.

But I think a lot of people outside of the UK would say

"King of England", not "King of the United kingdom" Or "King of the United kingdom and the commonwealth".

Mainly, because they are simply too long to say.

There are many Indigenous Australians who look white, who may be only a quarter or an eighth aboriginal who still rightly claim their heritage. White colonisers tried to 'breed' the black out of the Stolen Generation and integrate them into white society while still holding them in racist contempt. It's an ugly and painful, fairly recent history and many indigenous people here are still suffering from intergenerational trauma and overt racism.
I don't particularly like Lidia Thorpe, she's a bit nuts, but I can totally see where she's coming from.

I must read up some more about her, and what else she's done in the past.

She is interesting in a way.

She is an indigenous rights activist. Yes she is mocked by racists. She is mocked by the Australian equivalents of Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan.
You may not agree with her political tactics, but to throw insults like this is just childish.

Thank you for explaining it.

I genuinely didn't know that. I didnt know enough about it. So I didn't intend offense.

She is indigenous so.

Are you Australian?

Do you know any more information about her. Would you mind sharing any info you know about her

All the info about her online at the moment is quite inflammatory.

I'd be interested to here what some Australian people think of her

@KnottedTwine King of England is widely used mockingly by people in Scotland and N. Ireland who do not like the monarchy. They are well aware the United Kingdom is far larger than just England. I think it is you who does not understand the terms being used.
Some indigenous activists view Scotland, N Ireland and Wales as countries colonised by the English. In this framework, King of England is correct.
You have to understand that political slogans often have wider context behind them.

Yeah I was thinking that too.

She probably said King of England, as she doesn't see him as King of Scotland, Wales or N.Ireland.

That they are forced colonies of his

@Albaamy121 I am not Australian, but a close friend is part Aboriginal Australian. She is part Aboriginal, because her mother was taken by force from her family as a child and placed with a white foster family. This was a deliberate attempt to make aboriginal children culturally white. Many of these children grew up and married local white men and women, before finding their original Aboriginal families and re-discovering their heritage.
It is why anyone saying someone with one white parent is not really Aboriginal shows a profound lack of understanding of what happened in Aboriginal communities. Imagine your British children being stolen and placed with a family that had immigrated to Britain and part of a colonising force, and then being told your grandchildren are not really British?

Yes I understand

Is she an independent senator?

Is she popular in Australia?

I would make a plea not to mock indigenous activists or to post nonsense about indigenous rights or language used when you have zero understanding of the issues, simply because you want to defend Charles.
Those in Australia defending Charles that are respected criticise the form of protest being used. They say Lydia was disrespectful. You may think her form of protest was wrong or right. That is a matter of opinion.
But it is embarrassing to read some of the comments on this thread criticising her from a position of zero understanding of the issues.

Yes you've already said that @coolnavyhelper.

You've already said that I used incorrect language by calling her part indigenous.

I repeated a term that I saw online about her, without realising it was wrong. I thought it more referred to who she was descended from. Like you would say someone is half irish , half English in europe.

I have already said that I didn't know, and now I understand, after it was explained to.me..

That there is no such thing as part indigenous.
That she is indigenous.

Okay?

That's kind of like saying that a black person who has white ancestors can't recognise the harm that white people have done. Of course they can still recognise and advocate.

I think she's right. I think it's icky that Charles is happy to parade in a country where the Royal family have been part of extensive harm to indigenous people there for many years without proper acknowledgement of that.

I understand that the act of shouting like that may seem distasteful to some but it got us talking ... it did shine a light on the issue to some extent. I think she could have been harsher tbh.

I am in full agreement with former Senator Nova Peris an indigenous woman and former Olympian who wrote this on twitter:

“Today’s Outburst by Senator Lidia Thorpe Does Not Reflect all of Aboriginal Australia.

As a former Senator and the first Aboriginal woman in the Australian Parliament, I am deeply disappointed by the actions of Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe during King Charles III’s visit to Parliament House. Her outburst, which disrupted what should have been a respectful event, was both embarrassing and disrespectful to our nation and the Royal Family.

In 2022, Senator Thorpe herself affirmed allegiance to the Crown during her swearing-in ceremony, as required by Section 42 of the Australian Constitution, stating: “I do solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors according to law.” This is a reminder that, regardless of personal beliefs, respecting our nation’s constitutional framework is essential, especially as an elected representative. If Senator Thorpe was not on board with this, she should not have accepted her position and made her affirmation in the first place.

For over 2 decades I have supported the principle that Australia should one day become a republic. Indeed, as a former co-chair of the Australian Republican Movement I advocated strongly for this. However, it is crucial to acknowledge that such decisions are for the Australian people to make through democratic means—not through rude interruptions or public outbursts. Senator Thorpe’s actions today do not reflect the manners, or approach to reconciliation, of Aboriginal Australians at large. They reflect only her, and it is important to clarify that the vast majority of us would not engage in this unconstructive confrontational way.

Australia is moving forward in its journey of reconciliation. As a nation, we are continually recognising the deep injustices faced by Aboriginal people. However, as hard as that journey is, it requires respectful dialogue, mutual understanding, and a shared commitment to healing—not divisive actions that draw attention away from the progress we are making as a country.

I would like to extend my sincere apologies to King Charles III and Queen Camilla on behalf of all those who value mutual respect and the dignity of our nation. When King Charles visited Yolngu Country in 2018, he was welcomed with great respect and warmth by the traditional owners of the land, who honoured him with a traditional ceremony. That moment exemplified the kind of engagement we need—one where respect is earned and given in equal measure.

Aboriginal Australia values these opportunities for cultural exchange and understanding. We are a proud people, deeply connected to our history, but we also recognise the importance of moving forward together as a unified nation.

Lidia Thorpe’s actions today do not reflect all of our people’s views or values. I hope King Charles and Queen Camilla will continue to visit and engage with communities across Australia, where they are welcomed with respect and dignity.”

I do think that people should be able to say what they want to royal families and other leaders.

We have free speech

It’s not racist to point out that she is setting back her cause by her methods. All of the extreme campaigners on every issue do this, whether they like to accept it or not. Just stop oil, trans rights activists, Black Lives Matter (the extreme wing) all do a disservice to their cause.

Yes racists don’t like her, but many many people who are supportive of indigenous rights also find her extreme tactics embarrassing and counterproductive. And that, makes her seem rather dumb.

Thats well written.

Though she says that Lidia Thrope confirmed allegiance to the crown, when she was sworn in.

But I read another online source that said that she originally said "our coloniser queen, queen Elizabeth" when swearing in.

And they made her say it again correctly.

This article is from a pretty unbiased Australian news site. She is controversial because she carries out direct actions.

https://apnews.com/article/australia-canberra-king-charles-visit-4ea87d39d17c4a9fe3cbfab3455fb8f7